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Dodge Charger, Dodge Charger SRT-8, Sedan
#290 of 1087 Re: RWD vs. Front Wheel Drive [robint]
Apr 15, 2005 (6:40 pm)
Robin: Welcome aboard, assuming you are who you say you are...
I sent Dodge a hate letter asking them why the interior door panels of the new Charger look and feel like hard molded plastic, I asked them if padded vinyl had suddenly become too expensive for a $30000 car, and I asked them why AWD was not an option since a lot of us guys in the Northeastern U.S. prefer anything to RWD. (Shipo - You're still the man...Call me a hard-headed Guinea).
I got back an automated response saying something like "Yeah we're excited about the car too"....
Look if I was living in Florida we would not even be having this discussion. Graded driveways, weight distribution and traction all are very manageble on a hot dry piece of asphalt. Up here in New York if your car gets plowed in by a NYC Sanitation truck, you want that weight UP FRONT to pull you over the snowbank that gets created. Also ask yourself - why did Chrysler need to come out with an AWD Hemi-300 after one year if all of their friggin traction control was so special?
Despite all of this, I still want the Hemi Charger more than any other car out there. I may even wait until 2007 if I think there's an AWD version coming. If I don't think it will happen then the Lexus ES 330 or the Chevy Impala SS or the Pontiac Grand Prix GXP all give me plenty of what I'm looking for. I know I'm not alone in that sentiment.
Apr 16, 2005 (4:33 am)
when it comes to comparing the attributes of fwd to rwd in inclement weather. as a general rule, fwd will be superior over rwd. the advent of electronic controls has made rwd more manageable but there are a number of strikes against rwd that have not been addressed by the current crop of rwd platforms.
one area that i don't think has been mentioned that is of crticial importance when trying to maximize your traction in a rwd platform is tire width: most moden high performance rwd cars have WAY too much rubber on the road for snow conditions. focusing the weight of the vehicle onto a smaller contact patch can do wonders for getting better traction in snow.
another thing to consider: 50/50 weight distribution is fine for handling and does help with the traction problem in rwd to a degree, but only so much. not enough weight over the drive wheels will cause a loss of traction; that's why fwd is superior for wet weather traction. also, lots of rwd platforms DO NOT have great balance and the lh platform with the hemi is one of them. the fact that the 5.7 was cast in iron rather than aluminum was a major mistake, imo...totally wrecked any chance of having a balanced ride/handling and definitely forced the engineers to rely on electronics to mask the problem of too much weight over the front end.
probably the one single factor that leads to crummy traction in a rwd application is the distance between the front axle plane and the firewall. there must be sufficient room between the two in order for the engine to sit BEHIND the front axle plane or the weight distribution of the car is severely compromised.
one reason that fwd is so popular for packaging purposes, there is almost no intrusion of the drivetrain into the passenger compartment. unfortunately with rwd, in order to achieve the optimal placement of the engine/transmission in the wheelbase of the car, requires the firewall to be moved back into the passenger compartment, reducing the usable interior space for passengers.
i have just skimmed the surface of design differences between rwd and fwd...think of the c5/c6 with the transmission mount in the rear along with the differential: now there is a solution that you can live with....great packaging, great handling and excellent handling in the nasty stuff IF you get rid of those wide tires in the winter.
some food for thought. jackg 90seville 96k
#292 of 1087 Re: lots of variables [justgreat47]
Apr 16, 2005 (5:20 am)
Just one question. Have you actually driven a well balanced RWD car equipped with winter tires in the snow?
Another thing to consider is climbing a hill with FWD vs. RWD where the road is both slippery and/or rutted. I'm thinking specifically of I-80 east bound through Hackensack, NJ toward the GWB. Every FWD car that I've driven up that hill, in the dry, in the wet and in the snow, had been twitchy under power, at best (in dry), challenging (in the wet), and almost uncontrollable (in the snow). No RWD car I've ever driven up that hill has even felt the ruts much less been a problem to control. Like it or don't, torque steer is something that FWD cars suffer from, especially in slippery conditions, all of which is simply made worse at slow speeds for those of us who only know how to drive a manual transmission.
#293 of 1087 RWD vs FWD
Apr 18, 2005 (9:20 am)
Hello cfazzari. It's RobinT. It's unfortunate that the previous email that you received lacked the information that you were expecting. Let me assure you however that the feedback and communication that we receive is a valued part of how DaimlerChrysler creates products for everyone to enjoy. Unfortunately however we cannot discuss future product plans or projects. However, any interest in our product whether it's negative or positive, encourages us to keep listening. We appreciate the time you took to communicate your thoughts.
#294 of 1087 Question for Robin T
Apr 18, 2005 (11:48 am)
How about a 2 door version? Wouldn't that have a chance to pull in new buyers instead of just competing against the 300 and Magnum? They say that 2 doors don't sell, but I certainly see enough 2 door Accords, Solaras, Gran Prixs and Monte Carlos.
#295 of 1087 Re: RWD vs. Front Wheel Drive [cfazzari]
by Kirstie@Edmunds HOST
Apr 18, 2005 (12:33 pm)
Robin: Welcome aboard, assuming you are who you say you are...
We have every reason to believe that Robin is who she says she is
Robin, thanks for sharing your information.
#296 of 1087 Re: RWD vs. Front Wheel Drive [kirstie_h]
Apr 18, 2005 (1:17 pm)
Kirstie: Web logs shouldn't be given too much credence. That being said...Great!! Glad to hear that Robin is who she says she is.
There are times when car companies have listened to their customers in the past (the most obvious example is the fourth door on Minivans). I speak for many in the Northeast when I say an AWD or FWD Charger will make the deal do-able. I will even put up with the cheap and poorly manufactured interior, although I hope DCX addresses this too.
My dad used to say you should buy a car when you DON'T need one. This is a perfect example of why...I can wait, or I can switch to something more suitable.
#297 of 1087 Re: Question for Robin T [gsemike]
Apr 19, 2005 (11:40 am)
Report: Dodge Charger looking like a hit
Chrysler execs point to early interest in the car even stronger than that for the Chrysler 300C.
April 18, 2005: 10:05 AM EDT
NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - The Dodge Charger, entering production this week, could be another hit for DaimlerChrysler's Chrysler Group, according to a report in the Detroit News citing the company's counts of those interested in buying the car.
The company has already gotten 20,000 orders for the Charger. So far 85,000 people have requested information on the car. Those numbers are higher than those for the Chrysler 300 sedan, which had the strongest first-year sales for any Chrysler Group vehicle in years, according to the newspaper.
Global Insight, an auto industry forecaster, predicted annual sales of 70,000 units for the Charger, which, while outstanding, would not make it a "home run," the newspaper said.
The Charger is based on the same engineering platform as the Chrysler 300 sedan and Dodge Magnum wagon. Like those cars, the Charger will also be available with the Chrysler Group's powerful "Hemi" V-8 engine.
GSEMIKE - You'll Love This...
DaimlerChrysler executives have said recently that American car buyers are no longer interested in two-door designs.
#298 of 1087 Re: Question for Robin T [cfazzari]
Apr 19, 2005 (1:20 pm)
Since the Charger is just a differnet spin on the 300/Magnum platform, doesn't it make those cars is toughest competition? They're all the same car so the decision is pimp version (300), NASCAR dad (Charger) or slightly different (Magnum). Maybe of there was a 2 door, the decision would become Gran Prix or Monte Carlo or Solara or Charger?
#299 of 1087 Ordered a Charger R/T $1000 below MSRP
Apr 19, 2005 (8:07 pm)
I ordered a Charger R/T on April 14th with Navigation System,Rear Seat Video, Convenience Group II, Electronics Convenience Group and Power Sunroof with a MSRP of $35,575 for $34,575. Should be in sometime in May or early June