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Replying to: aspesisteve (Jan 20, 2008 4:25 pm) I wonder if due to the new CAFE standards if GM is trying to put a little hybrid into everything they do? Even if each only increases mileage marginally, a small gain across the board is probably more beneficial to their bottom-line than having a bunch of gas guzzlers and one knock-out hybrid.
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Replying to: nosirrahg (Jan 20, 2008 8:39 pm) Thing is, if GM is going to spend all that R&D money on bringing a hybrid into existence for GM vehicles, why not do it right instead of the crap they came up with? If they really wanted to be green, it would be a lot better than the junk they have. It would be MUCH more beneficial to their bottom line if they did it right to begin with. The government should require hybrids to get xx more mileage than the equivalent gas only version of a vehicle, before they give any kind of credits or be recognized at all. Maybe we need a new category other than hybrid, since GM has proven that just because it is a hybrid, doesn't mean it's green or better. The Malibu hybrid should be getting 34 or so city mileage at least. Even the Prius is finding it hard to justify the cost of ownership in some cases. The Malibu hybrid would no near be able to justify it's cost of ownership. It puts more of a burden on the consumer instead of helping them. It's just like E85, just because it uses a different fuel, doesn't make it better. E85 as it is currently isn't that green at all once you look at the big picture of corn based ethanol. Trying to pull one over on the public and saying you are green doesn't make you green. |
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What amazes me is how dependable and trouble free the Toyota Hybrid system has been when you consider it's complexity. We have some friends with an older Prius with over 100 K miles and they havent had a single problem. CR predicts reliability above average...excellent. This applies to the Japanese made cars as well as the Ford Escape which uses the same system. Why cant GM come up with a similar system? The 2MPG increase is a joke. 
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Replying to: mickeyrom (Jan 21, 2008 11:02 am) |
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| Toyota has set the benchmark for hybrids, let the battle begin. GM's attempt at hybrids is laughable, at this pace they will never catch Toyota. Ford's hybrid is actually Toyota's first generation hybrid system. Ford wanted to get in the game quickly and purchased their hybrid from Toyota and paid big $$. | |
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gm tahoe's two mode hybrid is more advanced than prius'. tahoe 21/22 rating is day and night better than sequoia's 14/19 rating. think it is low? it is the same as camry 4cylinder city. it can haul 8 people, 6000lbs, 6.0ltr v8. it is very EFFICIENT. toyota make great small cars. look at prius and assume it is gas-only you would expect it get 30 city, (for its size, functionality, fit, versa all similar), with hybrid it has about 50% boost of fuel economy. Tahoe is the same if not more. Tahoe's saving of fuel is much more than prius. It has bigger environmental impact than the tiny prius. |
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Replying to: fshi (Jan 23, 2008 8:14 am) PS if the GM system is really all that great...why is it that the AURA and the Chevy hybrids are rated no better than my conventional KIA Optima?
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Replying to: fshi (Jan 23, 2008 8:14 am) now that's spin Maybe they should allow the Tahoe to drive in the commuter lane?  LOL
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Replying to: fshi (Jan 23, 2008 8:14 am) Prius, no GM equivalent Camry hybrid, no GM equivalent (gas mileage wise) Highlander hybrid, no GM equivalent and you want to point out Tahoe? LOL I like GM overall, my last 5 out of 7, including my current vehicle has been GM but, we must face reality here. They are trying to pull a fast one on people big time.
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Replying to: scortch (Jan 23, 2008 11:03 am)
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