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Replying to: nosirrahg (Sep 13, 2007 7:51 pm)  
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| A Forbes.com article on the least efficient hybrids and the dreaded "hybrid premium" are the subject of today's Alternate Route entry, Boon or Bane? | |
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Sep 22, 2007 3:44 am) If my past driving habits continue, I'll be driving it about 10,000 miles per year and using roughly 303 gallons of gasoline. Had I purchased a Prius and was getting 50mpg, I could expect to use only 200 gallons over the course of a year, saving me 103 gallons of gas annually. Using $4/gallon gas prices to give me even more incentive to choose a hybrid, that's $412 per year still in my pocket. Price difference between the cars is $8500. You know the math. That's over 20 years to break even. And even the most loyal hybrid advocate doesn't expect that the hybrid battery pack won't have to be replaced in that length of time. Normal maintenance and wear and tear is going to be the same for both, so that's a wash. So other than to feel good about myself or tell people how much smarter I am than they are, where's my incentive to buy? Author is obviously missing the most important incentive that many people had in California - carpool lane sticker. Generous IRS deductions helped, too, but quite a few of those I talked to admitted that the carpool sticker was THE reason they bought the Prius. Frankly, battling the morning commute traffic in Silicon Valley, I have considered that myself. Since California is not giving the stickers right now, I will wait, but I have the feeling they will return, and then it is quite possible that I will give in just to be able to get to work in a reasonable time. Mind you, the whole concept of a carpool lane is a subject for another discussion, but I don't really want to start it here.
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Replying to: hwyhobo (Sep 22, 2007 11:56 am) I don't think the author was missing this at all; the stickers are no longer a perk (they won't issue any new ones), and CA is already in trouble with the Feds over allowing the hybrids in carpool lanes (indirect trouble - it seems the carpool lanes move too slowly, and this was noticed when they applied to the Feds for the hybrid sticker exemptions). I suspect that the sticker will not be renewed when they expire in 2009 (I think that is the date). But in any case I don't expect the author to comment on a perk that isn't valid any longer. |
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Replying to: hwyhobo (Sep 22, 2007 11:56 am) I just bought a Prius for $23,000 with comparable equipment the Malibu cost about the same thing. Where does the $8500 come from? One convenience I like is only having to fill the tank about 2 times per month versus 4 times per month.
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Replying to: foxwalker (Sep 25, 2007 5:20 pm) "Average Prius owners, for example, seem to be reporting combined driving mileage numbers of 48-50mpg. Price on the base 2007 Prius is $22,175. Price on my base 2007 Versa that I purchased in February was $13,675, and I'm getting 33mpg in combined driving. That puts me right in the range of that 18.5 mpg difference that buyers expect hybrids to get over similar non-hybrid vehicles. The Prius and Versa would seem to be vehicles of a similar class with regard to form and function." I think in terms of size and attributes the Malibu is more comparable with the Camry Hybrid, which is quite a bit more expensive than the Malibu. In a Malibu versus Prius fight the Prius wins on economics, but it's also a smaller car and competes in a different class of vehicle. |
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The versa is a sub-compact, the prius is a mid size. I've logged more than 20,000 miles in my girlfriends Prius. It is a comfortable car (front seat, or back) for my 6'3" 210 LB frame. The versa, on the other hand is a vehicle that I just wasn't able to wedge myself into the back seat of. When the versa is loaded up with options to be comparable to the base model Prius, it costs almost 17k. The Malibu and the prius are of comparable performance, and comparable size (most interior dimension within 1 inch of each other. (malibu has 3" more front hip room, prius has 3" more rear shoulder room). The camry hybrid is a bigger, faster car than the Malibu. The Malibu is closer to A Prius than A Camry.
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Replying to: coalburner (Sep 26, 2007 5:15 am) The Versa is 1" longer than the Prius, 1.2" narrower, and 1.7" taller. You enjoy the Prius more, great. But please... midsized???
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Sep 26, 2007 8:58 am) When they did the Gen 2, they managed to just barely get into the EPA mid-size category. This was done not by enlarging the vehicle that much, but by making it a hatchback instead of a sedan, which pushed interior volume past the compact car limit. In my opinion it is a small car. The EPA says mid-size.
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Let's leave this spot for discussion of the Malibu hybrid and take Versa and Prius chat to the appropriate homes 
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