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Re: 2008 Hybrid? [g3arh3ad] by nosirrahg
Aug 27, 2007 (7:14 pm)

Replying to: g3arh3ad (Aug 27, 2007 4:22 pm)

To my knowledge the only technology that doesn't currently exist to make the Volt a reality is a more compact battery than what is currently available; there's no reason to think that won't be possible in the very near future. And I think the reason the buying public isn't clambering for a plug-in hybrid might be influenced by the fact that there are none readily available. Seems like the folks who once drove EV1s were pretty happy with those plug-in vehicles.
 
Methinks a lot of folks will deride the Malibu/Aura hybrids because they don't get the gas mileage of a Camry hybrid...but you'll see the Malibu/Aura drivers sitting a little higher in their vehicles because they've got a few extra thou' in their back pockets that the Camry hybrid driver will never drive long enough to recoup the difference. Do the math and the Camry hybrid makes no sense. The Prius does, if you don't need much room.
 
Obviously I haven't seen a Malibu in person, let alone driven one, so I hesitate to say it's the best compromise between Camry-size and Prius-efficiency and cost; but it's a step in the right direction (though I think the Volt setup will make it irrelevant once it hits the streets).
 
I'm hoping to delay my next car purchase for a couple of years, but if I had to make a purchase next year the Malibu Hybrid would be the car I'd look at first, and compare everything else to.
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Malibu Hybrid 32 mpg highway and 24 mpg city? by hwyhobo
Aug 31, 2007 (6:28 pm)
I just read in Autoweek what the expected mileage is supposed to be.
 
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The hybrid version also goes on sale in November. It is rated at 32 mpg highway and 24 mpg city.
 
Wait, I am confused. The current 4 cyl Malibu gets (according to Edmunds) 24 mpg city and 34 mpg highway. Does that mean that the hybrid will be less fuel efficient? Is that due to the change in EPA mileage reporting methodology?
 
I like the Malibu, simple, understated, gets the job done, but those numbers are underwhelming.
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Re: Malibu Hybrid 32 mpg highway and 24 mpg city? [hwyhobo] by nosirrahg
Aug 31, 2007 (7:57 pm)

Replying to: hwyhobo (Aug 31, 2007 6:28 pm)

I think it's the "new math" the EPA is using.
 
Here's the "new" figures for the 2008 Malibu (from fueleconomy.gov):
2.4L 4-cylinder 24 city/32 highway (hybrid)
2.4L 4-cylinder 22 city/30 highway
 
The "new" figures for the 2007 Malibu are:
2.2L 4-cylinder 21 city/31 highway.
 
For comparison, the "old" EPA figures were 24 city/34 highway for the '07 4-cylinder.
 
I also checked and they list the "old" numbers for the new Malibu hybrid as 28 city/35 highway. Considering my 2000 Impala was rated as 20 city/30 highway, and I've consistently run closer to those numbers than the "new" 17 city/27 highway, I'd think/hope I'd come in closer to the old numbers than the new on any car.
 
Either way it looks like the Malibu hybrid's main advantage will be in increased city mileage improvements.
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Re: Malibu Hybrid 32 mpg highway and 24 mpg city? [nosirrahg] by hwyhobo
Aug 31, 2007 (11:03 pm)

Replying to: nosirrahg (Aug 31, 2007 7:57 pm)

Thanks. I suspected that but wasn't sure. Still, the numbers don't strike me as a big reason to pay for the hybrid with its added complexity, particularly in view of what Toyota can do with that technology (I understand that it's a different system, but to a consumer ultimately what matters is the end result, not how they got there).
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Re: Malibu Hybrid 32 mpg highway and 24 mpg city? [hwyhobo] by nosirrahg
Sep 01, 2007 (9:15 am)

Replying to: hwyhobo (Aug 31, 2007 11:03 pm)

I think you can probably do the math on the Malibu hybrid versus the Camry hybrid and make a case for the fact that even though the Camry gets better mileage, it also costs more...and you'd have to drive the car for 150-200k miles to save enough money on gas to make it worthwhile (and that doesn't factor in the cost of battery replacement). With gas prices changing all the time (and who knows if the Malibu will actually sell at or near sticker) it's hard to really say at this point.
 
On the other hand, the same argument works against the Malibu when you look at the Prius, which gets stellar gas mileage at roughly the same price as the 'bu hybrid. Not having compared the cars side-by-side I don't know if the Malibu is larger/nicer enough to compensate for the lower mileage or not. I also think the fact that the Prius has a unique look that identifies it as a hybrid works in its favor, since driving the Prius makes a statement (and plays a factor in some people choosing it). I honestly think Chevy should put fender skirts or something more distinguishing on the Malibu hybrid than just a few little badges (even if it were an optional thing), so that those who want to flaunt their hybrid status could do so.
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'08 Malibu pricing by nosirrahg
Sep 13, 2007 (2:31 pm)
As someone pointed out in the regular Malibu board, you can now build an '08 Malibu (including the hybrid) at www.chevrolet.com. You can't do it on their primary "build and price" button, but you have to go to the "upcoming vehicles" '08 Malibu page and from there you can build one.
 
From what I can tell your only option choices on the hybrid are exterior paint color, interior color (varies by exterior), and an engine block heater. I presume that might change down the road once they can gauge the demand for the car and/or production ramps up, but for now those are the options. So it looks like MSRP ranges from a low of $22,790 to a high of $22,960 (w/black paint + engine block heater).
 
At least if you're interested in the Malibu hybrid all you have to do is pick the color you want, since they'll all be equipped the same. From the option list there are a few things I wouldn't mind having (power adjustable pedals, rear power outlet and sunshade), but nothing I can't live without.
 
Building a similar base Saturn Aura hybrid with no options comes to $24,995...but you can add the power pedals and a few other things to the Aura hybrid that you can't to the Malibu (including leather seats and a sunroof). I'm sure I'll compare them both when the time comes, but with a lower MSRP and the ability to use what little GM Card points I've got on the Malibu, the Aura would have to be WAY better to swing my vote that direction.
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Re: Malibu Hybrid 32 mpg highway and 24 mpg city? [nosirrahg] by hwyhobo
Sep 13, 2007 (4:40 pm)

Replying to: nosirrahg (Sep 01, 2007 9:15 am)

I honestly think Chevy should put fender skirts or something more distinguishing on the Malibu hybrid than just a few little badges (even if it were an optional thing), so that those who want to flaunt their hybrid status could do so.
 
Alas, those of us who live in cities with street curbs dislike superfluous decorations that impede function of the vehicle. I would hope that GM would rather concentrate on improving fuel efficiency than on fender skirts.
 
While it has been said repeatedly that Prius "flaunts" its hybridness (new word? ), I think its design is superbly functional and eschews any unnecessary "form over function" visual gadgetry. This aspect of it may attract people more that its visual uniqueness.
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Re: Malibu Hybrid 32 mpg highway and 24 mpg city? [hwyhobo] by nosirrahg
Sep 13, 2007 (7:51 pm)

Replying to: hwyhobo (Sep 13, 2007 4:40 pm)

Add fender skirts...and curb-feelers.
#39 of 163
Re: Malibu Hybrid 32 mpg highway and 24 mpg city? [nosirrahg] by hwyhobo
Sep 13, 2007 (10:57 pm)

Replying to: nosirrahg (Sep 13, 2007 7:51 pm)

I thought fender skirts were the curb feelers.
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Malibu hybrid mentioned here by pf_flyer HOST
Sep 22, 2007 (3:44 am)
A Forbes.com article on the least efficient hybrids and the dreaded "hybrid premium" are the subject of today's Alternate Route entry, Boon or Bane?

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