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#144 of 163 Re: any sales here? [packer3] by stevedebi May 05, 2008 (8:28 am)
Replying to: packer3 (May 03, 2008 6:49 am) "Very impressive I was getting between 32 and 37 mpg on straight highway driving on my old 2004 V6 200 hp Malibu, anyone who is looking for a great used car with great highway mileage get your hands on the V6 200 hp Malibu you will not be disapointed whats so ever. Just dont get it for city driving it averaged 15 to 16 mpg. "   I was being tongue-in-cheek; anyone considering a vehicle should think about what kind of miles they will use. If 80-90% of the miles are in the city, then a hybrid may be the right choice. If most of your miles are on the highway, other vehicles may be the best choice.   Most of my miles are in the city, so my Ford Escape Hybrid was a good choice for me. Replies to this message: mickeyrom (May 05, 2008 8:40 am) stevedebi (May 05, 2008 9:28 am)
#145 of 163 Re: any sales here? [stevedebi] by mickeyrom May 05, 2008 (8:40 am)
Replying to: stevedebi (May 05, 2008 8:28 am) Hybrids get better highway mileage than non-hybrids, but the Malibu and Aura are nothing special on the highway.I probably do as well with my 2006.5 Optima.The Prius and the Civic wybrids get over 40 Hwy,so well worth the price if one is buying a new car. Replies to this message: stevedebi (May 05, 2008 9:28 am)
#146 of 163 Re: any sales here? [mickeyrom] by stevedebi May 05, 2008 (9:28 am)
Replying to: mickeyrom (May 05, 2008 8:40 am) "Hybrids get better highway mileage than non-hybrids, but the Malibu and Aura are nothing special on the highway.I probably do as well with my 2006.5 Optima.The Prius and the Civic wybrids get over 40 Hwy,so well worth the price if one is buying a new car."   It depends upon whether or not the Prius is a large enough car. The Prius was too small for my purposes.   If you just need transportation, a Honda Fit or Toyota Yaris can produce high 30's MPG, and cost many thousands less than a Civic hybrid or a Prius.
#147 of 163 Re: gm does not have a capable hybrid? [fshi] by aspesisteve Jun 02, 2008 (9:54 am)
Replying to: fshi (Jan 31, 2008 7:27 am) anyone still think GM is deserving of it's "green" marketing?   Someone was talking about how GM is targeting the segment where people consume more fuel i.e. larger SUV's. How their contribution will have more impact than that of the Pruis.   Any sales to report for GM hybrids?   I did see someone post how they ordered a Tahoe Hybrid at MSRP. They were commenting on how they didn't have to pay any dealer mark up for a dinasour (non hybrid) that is easily purchased for 10k under MSRP.   I think GM will spend alot more on promoting their commitment to being green then they will on the technology itself. And the sales, or lack of, of their hybrids is proof enough. It's a desperate ploy for a company on it's knees imo.   There's a waiting list for the Prius once again. Who's waiting to buy a GM hybrid? Replies to this message: bhill2 (Jun 02, 2008 11:39 am)
#148 of 163 Re: gm does not have a capable hybrid? [aspesisteve] by bhill2 Jun 02, 2008 (11:39 am)
Replying to: aspesisteve (Jun 02, 2008 9:54 am) I would be interested to see figures on how sales of the Tahoe Hybrid are going now that they have the 2-stage hybrid. This hybrid seems to provide an impressive decrease in fuel consumption.   Presently the Malibu Hybrid is a 'mild' hybrid, which is another way of saying what aspesisteve did, that it is an excuse for GM to promote their commitment to being green without actually having to provide the technology. However, if GM adapted the 2-stage to the Malibu, I think they might have a mainstream car that could actually make a real difference.
#149 of 163 why didn't by aspesisteve Jun 07, 2008 (7:50 am)
General Motors put their better more sophisticated 2 mode hybrid system that is being strapped on the Tahoe into the Malibu?   It would be interesting to see what they could get in milege here.
#150 of 163 Re: What is the point? [kingacres] by mike_mpg Jul 13, 2008 (8:06 am)
Replying to: kingacres (Jan 12, 2008 1:44 am) The problem now is the premium on a Prius. The payback before took about 4 years compared to a Toyota Corolla. With A $2000 premium it takes over 8 years. A comment about all hybrid systems. They only provide benefit for frequent stop-and-go driving. If you're an LA freeway driver, then this is the car for you. If you are driving long distances without a break, then a diesel like the Jetta is the car for you. The prius can get high 40s on the highway too, but because of good aero drag, narrow tires and a very small engine (1.5L) running Atkinson cycle. I used to think the mild hybrids offered by GM were pointless too, but they also shut off on coast and at intersections, making them lower emissions cars in that use. The 2.4L engine also runs Atkinson cycle, which improves economy a bit, but the car is much bigger and heavier than a Prius. There may be no premiums on the Malibu Hybrid and since GM is hurting right now, you may be able to score an incentive from GM as well as the IRS incentive. The IRS incentive for Prius may have already been used up. Hmmmmm. I personally love the styling of the Malibu, but that doesn't save any gas. Replies to this message: aspesisteve (Jul 15, 2008 5:06 pm)
#151 of 163 Re: What is the point? [mike_mpg] by aspesisteve Jul 15, 2008 (5:06 pm)
Replying to: mike_mpg (Jul 13, 2008 8:06 am) it's not just about payback, sometimes people just want to have a smaller foot print on the world - that's why some choose to put solar panels on their roof even if it takes 12 years to break even.   if you get pleasure out of giving to charity, then think of the planet as a great cause. the Prius is a huge success for Toyota. It definitely took some vision and strategy to get it to market and make people want them. Now they are waiting in line for them.   GM isn't offering discounts on the hybrid Tahoe (that I know of) - as for the hybrid Malibu, I don't think anyone cares because the bonus is so minute.
#152 of 163 Mild Hybrid -Mediocre mileage by rjsplace Jul 21, 2008 (5:12 pm)
All the engineering an GM comes up with a mild Hybrid that gets you a sticker on the car that says Hybrid but little else.Lets hope the VOLT actually gets produced but it wont be early 2010 I bet. I have a 2006 Grand Prix 3800 engine one of GMs finest engines good for 200,000 miles and I get 30 miles to the gallon Highway.But of course GM is discontinuing it. So if you want reliabilty and good mileage buy any GM product with a 3800 while still available. Replies to this message: aspesisteve (Jul 22, 2008 12:50 pm)
#153 of 163 Re: Mild Hybrid -Mediocre mileage [rjsplace] by aspesisteve Jul 22, 2008 (12:50 pm)
Replying to: rjsplace (Jul 21, 2008 5:12 pm) if GM gets the Volt to market it will be a small feather in their cap. the cost and complexity just isn't going to allow them to put one in every neighborhood.   It would be good PR, but little more imo

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