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Replying to: fshi (Jan 31, 2008 7:27 am) So where are you pulling your numbers from? I think I know. You can't average numbers like that. That's just playing the numbers to fit your attempt to justify GMs junk. 33 vs 24, 34 vs 32. You have to compare prices with similar options. Even if all options were identical, you pay for the better quality of a Toyota. A hybrid Camry is only a few hundred dollars more (MSRP) over a standard Camry equally equipped. The Camry may cost a little more than the Malibu hybrid but, you also gain a lot more with the Camry hybrid in performance and economy. 10% gain is nothing. The GM junk is not a technology breakthrough. Honda and Toyota's system was a breakthrough. GM's version is just a cheap imitation to try and get sales. Hopefully people are smarter than that though. I mean anyone with half a brain can see it's junk and just something to try and get more sales instead of actually being of any value to the consumer. I understand you may work for GM and just trying to defend their poor excuse of a hybrid for the Malibu though. The new Malibu is a really nice car. They did a great job on it. They could have done really great on the hybrid too but, they chose to try and scam the customer with junk instead of a true hybrid. Not only is it junk, they also only have it in key markets and, you can only get it in one option. You have no options to choose from like leather or anything. Again, anti-consumer.
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Replying to: fshi (Jan 31, 2008 7:27 am) it doens't matter what price the Malibu hybrid sells at if no one buys it. using $3.00 per gallon (that's conservative), it would take the average driver 2-3 years to recover the added cost of the Camry Hybrid in fuel savings. GM had a big jump on everyone with the electric car and then pulled the plug. All that did was deal the green revolution a big set back. What were they thinking? |
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after reading most of the posts all I see are bickering between GM and Toyota . does anyone actually have a Malibu hybrid.i would like to hear how it is to drive and own.i have a civic hybrid and know how that is to drive,but would like to compare to the Malibu.for the record the accord was a performance hybrid that was real fun to drive,and I could care less about any mpg savings with that car.looking forward to more performance hybrids.....Arthur
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Replying to: fshi (Jan 25, 2008 12:01 pm) getting a 10 percent gain (or even 20%) in a truck is more important than the Prius getting a 40% gain over a comprable compact? If a Chevy Suburban can go from 18 mpg to 20; that is more important than a compact going from 30 mpg to 45? How do you figure? Every bit helps, but to say that a truck hybrid does more for the environment than the Prius is hard to accept. Sure the Suburban can do more when it's fully loaded, but that's about 3% of the time it's being used. For 97% of your daily driving, the Prius will suffice. But it takes a change in attitude to get people to realize that many truck owners are driving much more than they need. Of course we're being hypothetical here because GM isn't selling anything yet. Anyone out there know how many Malibu Hybrids have been sold or are slated to be built? |
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Replying to: paisan1 (Jan 31, 2008 10:04 am) Considering it was a flop and Honda had to put it out of its misery, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for more of that genre.
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Replying to: aspesisteve (Jan 31, 2008 10:15 am) If a Chevy Suburban can go from 18 mpg to 20; that is more important than a compact going from 30 mpg to 45? How do you figure? Every bit helps, but to say that a truck hybrid does more for the environment than the Prius is hard to accept. " where do you get the numbers, Tahoe goes from 14/20 to 20/21, 30 to 45 is local, percentage wise it is the same as Tahoe goes from 14/20. Now, do you understand which is more important? "Sure the Suburban can do more when it's fully loaded, but that's about 3% of the time it's being used. For 97% of your daily driving, the Prius will suffice. But it takes a change in attitude to get people to realize that many truck owners are driving much more than they need." You need to convince big suv buyers to abandon this segment, you do not even need a hybrid, live closer to where you work, and ride a bicycle, that is good for you health too |
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Replying to: scortch (Jan 31, 2008 8:54 am) I assume average person drive 50% local and 50% highway, you may be different you never drive on highway. The rest of the statement is just repeating what you said before, and we are arguing in a loop. Relax my friend, and have a nice day. |
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Replying to: aspesisteve (Jan 31, 2008 10:15 am) First off let's use real figures. The Honda Civic gets an epa average of 29 mpg. The Civic Hybrid gets 42 mpg. So over 15,000 miles the Civic owner could save 160 gallons by switching to the hybrid version. The Chevy Tahoe gets 16 mpg, the Tahoe Hybrid gets 21. Over this same 15,000 miles the hybrid version will save 223 gallons. An additional 39% fuel savings over the Civic. I can be argued that the Tahoe driver could save even more by transitioning to a smaller vehicle. I think we need to live in the real world. The Tahoe driver was not cross shopping this vehicle with Civics, Camrys, Accords, etc.. It is far more likely that he could be induced into purchasing a Tahoe Hybrid than a Camry or Civic hybrid. And the trucks/SUVs in this country use over 60% of the fuel while the passenger fleet uses less than 40%. If your goal is to save the most fuel, which group would you target first? However going from 29 to 42 mpg sounds much more impressive than going from 16 to 21 mpg and for a mathematically challenged populus it probably also makes for an easier sale.
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Replying to: tpe (Jan 31, 2008 11:10 am)
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