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#114 of 163 Re: gm does not have a capable hybrid? [scortch]
Jan 29, 2008 (5:27 pm)
Actually this week , GM announced that they will introduce the "Two mode" Hybrid for the Chinese version of the SGM Buick Lacrosse for China market. They will be the first to introduce commercial fuel cell vehicle in that market as well. So give them a break: They are just tied up in transferring their automotive know-how to their future Chinese owner (Shanghai Automotive Group).
#115 of 163 Re: gm does not have a capable hybrid? [jnt]
Jan 29, 2008 (9:26 pm)
"GM will use"
When it comes to hybrids, GM is selling promises when Toyota has produced results in the form of thousands of happy Prius drivers.
to think of the Malibu hybrid as a "value based" hybrid is comical. We shall see how many people buy into that.
#116 of 163 Re: gm does not have a capable hybrid? [jnt]
Jan 30, 2008 (11:38 am)
That's just it, GM has been WAY behind the curve and continue to be.
As was said above, the value hybrid is comical and a waste of money on both sides.
Why are they not introducing it here in the U.S. first? WTF cares about China?
#117 of 163 Re: gm does not have a capable hybrid? [scortch]
Jan 30, 2008 (11:52 am)
"value hybrid"??? Exactly what does that mean?
#118 of 163 Re: gm does not have a capable hybrid? [scortch]
Jan 30, 2008 (4:30 pm)
"As was said above, the value hybrid is comical and a waste of money on both sides"
You guys are just blindly believe GM is way behind, and interpret everything to prove this belief. GM BAS hybrid wasted your money as well? How? According to your logic, if toyota makes money with Prius, it send you a check? 10% fuel economy gain is very significant especially with a very small price premium. and considered a major technology breakthrough in engine technology. VVT, AFM can only yield less than 5%.
Read this more carefully and do not put your personal interpretation in it. The hybrid GM introducing in China is a BAS system, will introduce two-mode in the future. GM has introduced two-mode in US on saturn VUE and Tahoe/Yukon, volt plug in is due out in 2010, why bother to introduce this two-mode on cars? two-mode is best suited for trucks.
#119 of 163 Re: gm does not have a capable hybrid? [fshi]
Jan 30, 2008 (10:58 pm)
10% gain is nothing. I can get a 10% gain just from driving differently and using quality fuel.
Major technology breakthrough in engine technology? roflmao, omg, that's the funniest thing I have ever heard.
Again, we are comparing the MALIBU HYBRID TO THE CAMRY AND PRIUS (which is what it competes with, mostly the Camry). Why can't people get that through their thick heads? The Camry, with their REAL hybrid technology, gets 33 city versus 21 city of the standard 2.4. The Malibu with it's FAKE hybrid gets 24 city versus 22 city of the standard 2.4.
The GM version of the hybrid in the MALIBU is total junk. Plain and simple.
#120 of 163 Re: gm does not have a capable hybrid? [scortch]
Jan 31, 2008 (7:27 am)
"10% gain is nothing. I can get a 10% gain just from driving differently and using quality fuel. "
Are you in the technology field? Everthing being equal is the rule when you do comparison, 10% gain is on top of what you are talking about. I do not want to repeat this anymore.
"Major technology breakthrough in engine technology? roflmao, omg, that's the funniest thing I have ever heard".
10% fuel economy gain for an IC engine is a major technology breakthrough, I repeat that. This further tells me that you are not in the technology field.
Camry hybrid carrys price tag 3k more than the Malibu. Comparing performance without taking into account cost is just like comparing fuel economy for different vehicles in different segments.
avrg 33, 28. this is what you will see in your daily driving.
You tell me, 33 vs. 28 with a 3K price hike make more sense? and makes a day and night difference between camry and malibu? give me a break.
#121 of 163 Re: gm does not have a capable hybrid? [fshi]
Jan 31, 2008 (8:54 am)
Yea and like you are in the technology field, lol.
So where are you pulling your numbers from? I think I know. You can't average numbers like that. That's just playing the numbers to fit your attempt to justify GMs junk. 33 vs 24, 34 vs 32.
You have to compare prices with similar options. Even if all options were identical, you pay for the better quality of a Toyota. A hybrid Camry is only a few hundred dollars more (MSRP) over a standard Camry equally equipped. The Camry may cost a little more than the Malibu hybrid but, you also gain a lot more with the Camry hybrid in performance and economy.
10% gain is nothing.
The GM junk is not a technology breakthrough. Honda and Toyota's system was a breakthrough. GM's version is just a cheap imitation to try and get sales. Hopefully people are smarter than that though. I mean anyone with half a brain can see it's junk and just something to try and get more sales instead of actually being of any value to the consumer.
I understand you may work for GM and just trying to defend their poor excuse of a hybrid for the Malibu though.
The new Malibu is a really nice car. They did a great job on it. They could have done really great on the hybrid too but, they chose to try and scam the customer with junk instead of a true hybrid.
Not only is it junk, they also only have it in key markets and, you can only get it in one option. You have no options to choose from like leather or anything. Again, anti-consumer.
#122 of 163 Re: gm does not have a capable hybrid? [fshi]
Jan 31, 2008 (9:16 am)
it doens't matter what price the Malibu hybrid sells at if no one buys it.
using $3.00 per gallon (that's conservative), it would take the average driver 2-3 years to recover the added cost of the Camry Hybrid in fuel savings.
GM had a big jump on everyone with the electric car and then pulled the plug. All that did was deal the green revolution a big set back. What were they thinking?
#123 of 163 does anyone have a malibu hybrid??
Jan 31, 2008 (10:04 am)
after reading most of the posts all I see are bickering between GM and Toyota . does anyone actually have a Malibu hybrid.i would like to hear how it is to drive and own.i have a civic hybrid and know how that is to drive,but would like to compare to the Malibu.for the record the accord was a performance hybrid that was real fun to drive,and I could care less about any mpg savings with that car.looking forward to more performance hybrids.....Arthur