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Replying to: fshi (Jan 26, 2008 9:14 pm) Toyota is ahead in that they have had the Prius for 8+ years here and they have the camry and highlander that been out for years now, while GM's vehicles remained stagnant, and still are when it comes to true hybrid and fuel savings. Heck Prius' 8+ years ahead of them more than make up for the few miles here and there that they do better in regular. Then add in Camry and Highlander. As far as the cost less on the Malibu hybrid, the whole point is, the hybrid they use was a TOTAL waste of time and money doing R&D and getting it into the car. Of course the POS cost less because it's worthless. As far as GM's all electric vehicle, well, they shoulda and coulda but they didn't, mute point. Making small cars more efficient is a lot better than making huge ones better. There are a LOT more of the smaller ones than those gas guzzling tanks, making smaller cars doing more to help. GM just talks right now, they don't really act. Oh yea, the Volt, well, it's still a to come one of these millennium type cars. They don't have a CAR right now, today, that's a true hybrid getting really great mileage. There ONLY reason to put out the Malibu Hybrid is to say, hey, look at us, we are green, see, we put out a hybrid. We are green, see, we put out environmentally damaging E85. Yea, look at us, we are green. We making our cars use corn based ethanol so you don't burn as much foreign oil (although we are taking your food supply with us, oh well). Don't worry about all the oil and natural gas we burn making it and transporting it. Don't worry about all the damage to the water supply and ocean from so much fertilizer being used. We gonna make it because the government pays us with your taxes to make it and we get credits. When GM releases hydrogen and pure electric vehicles that are affordable, to the public, then people can say GM is green. Yep, I agree, they need to start using the high tech diesels that burn a lot cleaner and can burn biofuel also. They would be better off with those than they would this E85 crap.
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Replying to: scortch (Jan 27, 2008 2:09 am) To be fair, as I said many times, toyota is far behind in the big vehicle segment, which is more important if you want green. If you want to talk about cars so that it is relevant to the discussion, then do not conclude toyota is overall greener. since it is greener only in the segment with a very small weighting factor because of the tiny small cars. I know this discussion is going nowher, I am stopping here.
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Replying to: fshi (Jan 27, 2008 8:49 am) Believe it or not, I like GM for the most part. The last 5 of 7 cars (including the E85 capable Impala I have now) has been a GM vehicle. I just think the E85 and so called Hybrid they trying to push on the public is crap and a scam and just to try and make them look better to people that want to be green and to get credits from the government. Each E85 vehicle they make, they get credits that allow them to slack on MPG in other places.
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Replying to: scortch (Jan 27, 2008 11:31 am) The blame for that should fall directly onto the Federal Government. The EPA and Congress have put a BIG loophole in the Mileage legislation. I am sure it was a compromise with the Big 3. If you only had to add a couple pieces of stainless tubing to your car and it would qualify as a 30+ MPG Flex Fuel PU truck, why not? I agree that it is totally a scam. Too bad we have so many people running this country on the payroll of the lobbyist.
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Replying to: gagrice (Jan 27, 2008 2:49 pm) That's what I don't get, how can it qualify for 30+ MPG? Heck, my Impala only gets 17 city and 25 pure highway with E85, much less a truck. If they did away with the 51 cent subsidy on every gallon of ethanol, then it would not sell at all. I think that is a good thing. They need to do away with it and start using the corn for our food again.
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Replying to: scortch (Jan 27, 2008 5:28 pm) shame on the politicians taking the bait and forming bad policy and shame on GM for promoting it. the person in this forum suggesting GM is doing more for hybrid technology than Toyota is out in left field. He's either employed by GM to push spin or sadly blinded by their marketing hype. To suggest the Malibu Hybrid is a value based hybrid....lol  And the Volt? don't even get me started.
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Replying to: aspesisteve (Jan 27, 2008 5:42 pm) what about you? you are blinded not seeing the gm two-mode hybrid for big suvs and pick trucks. everything toyota has is real help to the environment, everything GM or other car maker has is scam or cheating or sth. Anybody disagree with you is just GM employee... I see your logic here. How many times do I need to repeat? Prius's saving to you may be big, but its impact on environment as compared to the entire auto segments is almost negligible. I give credit to anyone that is pushing the technology in the big suv/pickup segment unless you can convince the customer to abandon this segment, that segment is far bigger than your tiny prius segment. Hard to understand? or you do not want to accept?
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Replying to: fshi (Jan 27, 2008 7:53 pm) The scam here is GM's version of the hybrid that's sole purpose is to say look, we have a hybrid too. Ok, yea, we got it wrong but it's still a hybrid, so please buy me instead of a Camry or Accord. I would but not the hybrid version. Again, not counting the Tahoe, etc. Just the Malibu and Aura. They were trying to counter the Camry and Accord hybrids and failed miserably. They had the technology already there that was used in the Vue, Tahoe, etc. Why on God's green earth did they get so stupid as to put this junk in these cars? |
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Replying to: scortch (Jan 27, 2008 11:40 pm) Again, not counting the Tahoe, etc. Just the Malibu and Aura. They were trying to counter the Camry and Accord hybrids and failed miserably. They had the technology already there that was used in the Vue, Tahoe, etc. Why on God's green earth did they get so stupid as to put this junk in these cars? " The sole purpose you are talking about is your interpretation of what GM is doing. By definition BAS system is a Hybrid. It uses both electric and gas to power a vehicle. whether it yieds 10% or 30% is another issue, it has to asscociate with cost. GM put this BAS system to the market, and did not hide the fact that is yields about 10% fuel economy gain, and carries a 10% price premium. What is wrong with it? You think people will go buy a hybrid just becaue it is called a hybrid and follows whatever company's ad, you underestimate average customer's wisdom. Everything is PRINTED on the paper. GM's hybrid is a low cost option. As to your comment about why GM has the technology on VUE, Tahoe but not on cars? The reason is the same that why toyota does not put Prius technology on Tundra and Sequoia? The technology for small cars is different from the one for big trucks. Gm does not has the one as competitive as Toyota's offereing for small car, while Toyota does not have ANYTHING for big trucks. I see our discussion is all about faith, not fact, therefore it is getting nowhere...
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