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Acura TL, Acura RL, Acura RDX
#4 of 20 Re: often [dhamilton]
Jun 12, 2006 (10:11 pm)
Wow so the Canada Acura has cooled seats Okay, that's not funny. That is one option I want Acura to start installing. I also want to see the RDX 410 watt 5.1 ELS to be installed on the next Acura TL. A little more ear numbing power
Acura does one thing way better than Audi is offering more value for your dollar. Audi has moved so far up market it's not even funny and the new exterior designs are gross. I'm not sure where Audi does everything well since they don't have a benchmark vehicle in any segment. You were correct with your first statement. Acura vs. Audi, I agree they are similar. Audi offers a few more powerful engines, but at the same time Acura offers more gadgets, more reliable, and also gets way better fuel economy. OTOH the Audi owner is usually rich, unless he's shopping for a A4 which is a big waste of money and deems the Acura the winner every time.
Yes Acura does have the Technology and Engineering, something that the Germans pretty much had to themselves for years. Lexus also has it, but they will make you pay through the nose to enjoy it.
Best Premium Value Coupe-Acura RSX
Best Premium Value Compact Sedan-Acura TSX
Best Premium Midsize Sedan-Acura TL
Best Premium Large Sedan-Acura RL
Best Premium Compact SUV-2007' Acura RDX
Best Premium Midsize Sport Utility-Acura MDX and the 2008' will further enhance that claim.
Best Premium Sports Car- 2008-2009' Acura NSX V-10 VTEC
Hey it's hard for me to admit a GM product isn't on the Best Value list.
#5 of 20 Re: Will future styling, gadgetology, value, be enough for the Acura brand
Jun 13, 2006 (6:23 am)
Any one have any news on the 2007 TL which is due for the mid-model update?
I was just about to buy an 06 TL and found out about the 07. While not the full re-design due as an 09 model, the 07 is rumored to have slight styling changes, more powerful engine, and a type-S option.
#6 of 20 Re: Will future styling, gadgetology, value, be enough for the Acura brand [rickwjenn]
Jun 13, 2006 (2:55 pm)
I guess it's no big deal yet, however could you show me an example of the transition process as far as prices go. Let's say I wanted a Anthracite Mettalic 06' Acura TL
with Summer Tires, Voice Recognition Navigation, and still want the 6-speed. How much would this car cost me ? The MSRP is almost $37K I and my family OTOH are considering leasing the new TL Type-S when it becomes available and I'm sure prices yet haven't been disclosed yet.
Hey Rocky, So glad to hear from you again. The TL with the navigation, and 6 spd...
Add about $300 for summer tires.
I asked about the S-Type...my dealer had no idea about them. Let me know if you have any other questions.
So what would I as a customer pay ???? Invoice, slightly over, under invoice ???
I'm just a little confused, that's all. My GM discount is around 15% off MSRP or around 2-4% under invoice. Does your system of buying from the fleet mangers work out to a similar type deal ????
Rocky, You will get the same price I get. Invoice is 33124. That will be your sell price. Let me know if there is anything else I can help with.
So you can sell cars at invoice. Interesting....How do you make a profit ?
From the holdback money ? I am also interested in how you are allowed to sell new vehicles, when you don't own a brand franchise ?????? I've never
heard of anyone having access to new product and not owning a franchise.
Another question is can I get Acura accessories i.e. lip spoiler ????
How does a customer get his car, not living in Dallas Fort Worth area ?
Kim, also there is a Acura Type-S coming out. The rumor mill is 300 horsepower and possibly Super Handling All-Wheel Drive (SH-AWD)
If this car is made, then maybe we can work out a deal. I currently found
a used car..... My grandma wants to sell her Aurora to me and is giving me
a pretty good deal. The TL Type-S would be car I'd want to really own if GM
doesn't make a car that's competitive with it.
Thanks again for answering my questions....
We can't SELL new...we LEASE new.
The "new" Acura that you are referring to...will not be out for another 3
months or so as I just found out from another guy. They do not have pricing on them as of yet either.
I can get any option or accessory that you want if it's available.
We can make arrangements for you to get your car and that won't be a problem
#7 of 20 Re: Will future styling, gadgetology, value, be enough for the Acura brand [rickwjenn]
Jun 13, 2006 (3:06 pm)
Did that help rickwjenn ??????
I hope so pal. If I find out anything else I'll keep you posted. I'm going to want a new car by this fall if things work out. I still might buy a CTS, but if the New Acura TL Type-S is as good as the "Rumor Mill" has it then I'm going to buy it instead. I'm not real confident about the next CTS being loaded with the latest gadgets and the lack of AWD won't cut it to drive here year around. If the TL Type-S gets SH-AWD that would be a huge selling point for me along with high performance engine. I'm afraid the new CTS also will cost in the high fourty-thousand dollar range for a loaded one. Hell they cost right now $44K for a loaded one with it's ugly interior. The CTS-V won't be out for atleast another year-two years, and god only knows how much that sucker is going to cost.
The bottom line is Acura, might be my next new ride as hard as it is to admit since GM is going to stall the G8 and CTS-V both cars I was very interested in. The Buick Velite being dead also doesn't help matters and the STS is way to expensive leaving me nothing I really want to own from GM currently
#8 of 20 Acura's weakness...
Jun 13, 2006 (3:21 pm)
...is that its overall brand image is a bit murky. Yes, we all know that is a more expensive Honda, but besides price, what makes Acura different from Honda is unclear.
While Acura has done a good job with some of its nameplates (the TL is surely a success), the overall brand is a bit more hit-and-miss. TMC was wise to craft Lexus as a distinct brand marketed around high quality ("Relentless pursuit of perfection" and all that), something that BMW and Mercedes have both excelled in doing, but that Acura has largely failed to do.
A good marketing campaign would help. I'd also recraft the corporate face of the cars, so that they look more distinct from the Hondas. But given that much of the Acura lineup is based on cars sold as Hondas elsewhere, with the corporate look to match, reskinning these cars just for North America could be tough. Perhaps expanding the Acura brand to other markets might make it easier to justify to cost of doing this.
#9 of 20 Re: Acura's weakness... [socala4]
Jun 13, 2006 (3:33 pm)
Well them being reskinned honda's ableit being premium reskins socala, allows Acura to pack them full of sophisticated technolgy and sell them at a good price adding value, something I find fault with Lexus. I suppose the ES and RX are the only reskinned Lexus products right ?
I personally think the new ES won't be the value it is now, once the new TL-Type-S comes out.
#10 of 20 Re: Acura's weakness... [rockylee]
Jun 13, 2006 (3:39 pm)
The problem with that is that it is hard to emphasize the premium brand message while simultaneously being known as a price leader of sorts. The bargain-performer strategy is doomed to put a cap on profits, and to keep Acura out of the top end of the market because being a bargain ensures a lack of prestige.
To clarify, Acura is a North America-only brand, with the cars being either unique to the US (TL) or else cars that are badged as Hondas throughout the rest of the world. If the Acura brand was expanded, the look of the Acuras could be changed that are consistent across the world, otherwise they'd have to more heavily modify some of these foreign Hondas that get minimal modification.
But that brand building will cost money and may not sense for them in overseas markets, I don't know. And whether heavily modifying Acura styling just for US and Canadian customers would be cost effective, I don't know.
#11 of 20 Re: Acura's weakness... [socala4]
Jun 13, 2006 (3:51 pm)
Well whatever you want to call it pal it's working fine by me. I look at the Acura brand as a premium value brand. It's like buying a generic drug which works as good, if not better than the original at a big discount. Everyone I know looks at Acura as a prestigious sport/lux brand that is baughten by a person who values there money, but still wants the best quality. Acura also could be looked at as like buying a Tag Heuer watch which is as every bit as good in quality as a Rolex, but at a value
You do sometimes get what you pay for, but there are a few exceptions to the rule.
I do agree that the Acura nameplate should be expanded to other markets pal.
#12 of 20 Re: Acura's weakness... [socala4]
Jun 13, 2006 (4:33 pm)
What the Acura TL brings to the table is a huge package of performance, safety, comfort, and electronics with a great price. For $31.5K its a LOT less money than a G35, a 330i, an IS350, Volvo, etc. etc. etc.
Not sure if the TSX does the same - probably needs a turbo. The 08 TSX/Accord should be sweet. And the RL gets not respect for its safety, horsepower, and electronics package for $45K.
#13 of 20 Re: Acura's weakness... [leadfoot6]
Jun 13, 2006 (4:37 pm)
That is very true and you failed to mention it's awesome All Weather capability w/ SH-AWD
P.S. If I was a betting man, I'd about guarantee that the next TSX will get the Turbo 4 banger