Last post on Jun 14, 2006 at 3:48 AM
You are in the Automotive News & Views-Archives
What is this discussion about?
Acura TL, Acura RL, Acura RDX
#14 of 20 Re: Acura's weakness... [leadfoot6]
Jun 13, 2006 (5:50 pm)
What the Acura TL brings to the table is a huge package of performance, safety, comfort, and electronics with a great price. For $31.5K its a LOT less money than a G35, a 330i, an IS350, Volvo, etc. etc. etc.
Not sure if the TSX does the same - probably needs a turbo. The 08 TSX/Accord should be sweet. And the RL gets not respect for its safety, horsepower, and electronics package for $45K.
I won't argue with that, but this touches on my earlier point.
A great brand is not just about the individual products in the lineup -- a great brand is greater than the sum of its parts. An example of an exceptional brand is BMW, which all of us immediately recognize as the "ultimate driving machine" (great marketing), and which has an aura and image that isn't just based on a few cars, but the overall package. This image allows BMW to command top prices and generate strong sales in its niche markets.
Acura could use some of this. When Acura was launched, it had a couple of products and the other Asian automakers were not yet in the high-end game, so it had far less competition. Now as the market becomes more competitive, Acura needs a solid brand image to hang onto. Strong nameplates are important, but it needs something more than that to fetch top dollar and to have a strong future.
#15 of 20 Re: Acura's weakness... [socala4]
Jun 13, 2006 (5:57 pm)
How about a catch phrase:
Acura "Setting the curve" is kinda catchy.
That's what I'm reading on the side bar
Yes I agree a great catch phrase like
"Ultimate Driving Machine" is needed along with continued product improvements to back up the phrase.
#16 of 20 Re: Will future styling, gadgetology, value, be enough for the Acura brand
Jun 13, 2006 (7:46 pm)
Thanks - that helped alot. It would be huge if AWD made it on the 07 TL. I heard that would be only one the full new model due in 09.
I definitely want the 07 TL Type S and will be ready to pull the trigger as soon as they are available and get a decent deal.
Have you heard of any new Colors for 07 ala the new colors Honda rolled out on the 06 Accord mid-model update?
#17 of 20 Re: Will future styling, gadgetology, value, be enough for the Acura brand [rickwjenn]
Jun 13, 2006 (8:19 pm)
I haven't heard the new colors. I'll probably get Anthracite if it's available still. That was the color of my former 2005' TL. It's a long strory why I don't have that car anymore. My wife knew how much I loved it and told me I could get another one, once the law suit was over and my credit cleared.
Remember I'm not claiming my info is factual, and is from a lady who works for a company that specializes in lease deals. I OTOH am a die hard auto enthusiast and will do everything possible to keep you up to speed when I get any info. even if rumor. I love this site very much because it offers people information that is really on the inside track. I have other sources and do listen to the rumor mill, which happens to hit and miss on new products. Edmunds OTOH is very accurate on it's inside information and should be valued.
#18 of 20 I saw the new 2007' Acura TL.....
Jun 13, 2006 (9:53 pm)
It looks sharp and yes a Type-S is confirmed by many sources on the net. Nobody can confirm SH-AWD but many are saying the 2009' model will for sure have it. I'm just hoping the SH-AWD will find production this coming model year since it would add value. Lots of pics out there and the Acura forums are loaded with rumors, pics, etc.
Hopefully edmunds will beable to confirm what will be on the next TL
#19 of 20 Re: I saw the new 2007' Acura TL..... [rockylee]
Jun 13, 2006 (9:59 pm)
2004 (3G TL)
2006 Acura TLThe first third generation Acura TL rolled off the assembly line on September 30, 2003. On October 6, 2003, the third generation Acura TL (the 3.2 moniker was dropped) was released for sale in North America. Developed mainly in the United States by a team led by Erik Berkman with bodywork penned by American Honda designer Jon Ikeda, the new TL is built in Marysville, Ohio, and is derived from the latest USDM Honda Accord. It is powered by a 270 hp (201 kW; later revised to 258 hp), 3.2 L 24 valve SOHC VTEC V6 engine mated to either a 5-speed automatic with SportShift or 6-speed manual.
As of March 2004, Honda offers to the public a factory-sanctioned "tuner package" version of the TL: the TL A-SPEC. This version features a suspension tuned by Makoto Tamamura, an indication of the TL A-SPEC's aggressive engineering. In addition, an underbody kit, spoiler, limited edition A-SPEC steering wheel, "A-SPEC" badge on the back, and 18 in wheels are standard issue on the A-SPEC package. When installed at purchase, the car's 4 year/50,000 mile warranty applies to the package as well.
The third generation TL is also the first car in the American market to include a 6 disc DVD-Audio system, output through an 8-speaker system, engineered by Panasonic and tuned by Elliot Scheiner. The system also plays back normal audio CDs as well as DTS audio discs, CD-Audio, CD-Rs and CD-RWs. The car is also equipped with a Bluetooth HandsFree Link (HFL) system, integrated with the audio system, to allow for hands-free usage of one's cell phone (provided the phone also supports Bluetooth and is compatible with the HFL's hands-free profile). The driver can simply voice-dial the number and carry the entire conversation over the car's built-in audio system; when receiving a phone call a display will show caller ID if it is supported by the phone. The driver also has the capability to transfer current calls between the car and his or her phone when exiting or entering the TL. There is also a phone book which can store personal phone numbers within the car's memory. With the built-in XM Radio tuner, owners can elect to pay a monthly subscription after the complimentary 3 months subscription expires from Acura for XM radio, which provides over 100 digital channels via satellite.
Rear of a 2005 Acura TLSporting an Alpine-designed navigation system, the third generation TL also accepts voice commands like "Find nearest police station" to "Go home." The navigation system features an 8 in touch-screen LCD, which allows for easy viewing of the road ahead.
The JDM Honda Inspire debuted around 4 and a half months earlier (on June 11, 2003) and marked the branching out of the TL line from the Inspire. The Inspire is basically a seventh generation USDM Honda Accord V6 with minor trim changes, and the addition of Variable Cylinder Displacement, which shuts off half of the engine when not needed to boost fuel economy. The Saber was discontinued and the new Inspire is being sold at Clio, Primo, and Verno dealerships.
Honda is currently silent on the prospects of exporting the newest Acura TL to Japan, but sources point it out as highly likely, either being badged as the Honda Vigor (most likely) or Honda Saber. It is rumored that the TL might also make it to Europe, as the first and second generation Legends were popular there.
The TL became Acura's best selling luxury sedan in 2004 with more than 79,000 sold that year.
The debut of the Acura TSX took over from the TL as Acura's entry-level car for the United States; the TL is known for more as a luxury car, while the TSX is known for more of a balance between sport and luxury.
2005 Acura TL instrument cluster
2005 Acura TL navigation systemThe 2005 TL received a passenger airbag cutoff switch and extra stitching on the front seats. There were several minor changes made (such as changes in seat belt anchor mounts) which are not published. With a very competitive MSRP range, the TL is often seen as "Unbelievable Value For the Money" among car critics.
The 2006 TL received TPMS (Tire Pressure Monitoring System), a new computer (for manual transmission models only), and an active system to control torque steer. The new horserpower rating of 258 hp is due to a change in testing procedures, despite the engine remaining the same since 2004. The TL is still the best-selling luxury sedan in North America. Its main competitor is the Infiniti G35 sedan. Its indirect competitors are the BMW 3-Series, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Cadillac CTS, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Lexus ES, Lincoln Zephyr/MKZ, and the Lexus IS.
The 2007 TL is due for a refresh before a 2009 redesign. It will most likely receive clear taillights, turn signal blinkers on the side mirrors, and additional power with a revised intake/exhaust system. The Canadian TL is confirmed to have XM satellite radio starting in 2007.
#20 of 20 Duplicating effort here
by pf_flyer HOST
Jun 14, 2006 (3:48 am)
If you'd like to discuss specific Acura models in detail, the place to do so would be in the existing Acura topics like the Acura TL discussion.
Discussions on other Acura models can be found by using the Browse By Vehicle search tool in the left sidebar.
Future Acura models are under discussion on the Future Vehicles Message Board