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Re: Catalytic Converter skid plate installed backwards at factory [targettuning]
by flytedhy
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May 19, 2006 (8:07 pm)
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Replying to: targettuning (May 19, 2006 5:01 am)
What you fail to understand is that Hyundai knows what sensitivity/selectivity and S/N ratio are on the radios they chose to install. I've repaired electronics for a long time, seen the insides and repaired about all makes and have the highest FCC repair license, highest Amateur radio license and am a certified electronics technician. There is no random choice of quality. They know what quality radio they have. They also know that the long coax run to the antenna weakens the signal. Hyundai chose a cheap radio and poor design, and you simply can't defend that.
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- #21 of 51
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What difference does the radio make?
by mikdee
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May 20, 2006 (5:09 am)
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Replying to: flytedhy (May 19, 2006 8:07 pm)
Coming from a previous 2002 Santa Fe LX 4WD V6, to a simliarly equipped Tucson, the O.E. radio is 100% better! the previous one had the weakest Bass I ever heard. So, the particular radio in the Tucson LX is quite an improvement, it is fine to me. Besides the only people that care that much about this item, will probably change it out anyway. I'm more concerned about the fact that the Santa Fe got better gas milage then my Tucson??? But, to those people who never owned a Santa Fe as I did (for 3yrs & 87K miles) before trading for a Tucson, they would never be able to know, or understand this. Another difference is the Tucson rides abit harder (not as smooth) as the Santa Fe, I guess you could call it "Sportier", and the luggage capacity is less, But I still love my Tucson, just can't figure out for the life of me, Why this lighter, more aerodynamic vehicle, then the Santa Fe gets worse gas milage???
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- #22 of 51
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Re: What difference does the radio make? [mikdee]
by flytedhy
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May 20, 2006 (8:23 am)
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Replying to: mikdee (May 20, 2006 5:09 am)
What transmission did the Santa Fe have? Its also not to uncommon for a larger engine, despite the initial thought of more HP less mpg, to actually get marginally better mpg as they turn at a lower rpm and hence better efficiency. The more gears the better and 5-speed transmissions seem to be the standard for a lot of cars, even smaller ones and it makes sense. I've seen 6 and 7-speed automatics but only on sport models. Especially with high fuel costs, I think its an inexpensive way for OEM's to increase mpg at very little additional cost. The technology is certainly there.
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- #23 of 51
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Re: Catalytic Converter skid plate installed backwards at factory [flytedhy]
by targettuning
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May 22, 2006 (5:53 am)
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Replying to: flytedhy (May 19, 2006 8:07 pm)
OK.. so "there is no random choice of quality" but there is a cost per unit verses "how good do you want this thing?" issue and every manufacturer faces it. Since there is only you trying to prove how bad Hyundai is, me, defending Hyundai again, and one other guy here nobody else seems to feel it is worth worrying about so I guess it isn't really that big an issue. It absolutely stands to reason though the more you expect to sell the car for the more can be expended in details...lambs wool carpet...hides from 1 year old, indoor raised Alpacas for the seats etc. So I expect Hyundai had a price per unit for each radio in mind at the 19-22K (or whatever it is exactly)price point. Some persons here may actually have an individual radio that IS faulty and those will be replaced as required. Regarding line loss Geez how many manufacturers mount their antenna on the rear fender..rear glass...a rubber stick on the roof? A longish antenna lead isn't a real issue however especially when an amplifier, such as Hyundai uses, is installed after the antenna...before the radio. And yeah, I can defend it until you can absolutely prove Hyundai utilizes poorer quality components..designs...specifications...and a choice of a company to subcontract these out to that has poor quality control on a consistant basis. Probably no better or worse in these regards than any other auto manufacturer. The end!
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Re: What difference does the radio make? [mikdee]
by targettuning
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May 22, 2006 (6:08 am)
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Replying to: mikdee (May 20, 2006 5:09 am)
As stated I also had Santa FE's two (2) to be exact. I had a 2002 AWD 2.7 liter(4 speed auto) and a 2003 AWD 3.5 liter(5 speed auto). I can, for once, agree with flytedhy. The 3.5 actually got better highway (not city though) mileage 24 verses 22MPG. This was, I believe, due to two things. At any given road speed the 5 speed 3.5 liter ran at more than 500 RPM slower. This translated into better fuel economy. Second, the 3.5 simply had much more torque and almost never downshifted on hills and grades that had the 2.7 in 3rd gear. I find that the Tucson gets about the same mileage as the 2002 2.7 liter Santa Fe. Also, the Tucson isn't all that much lighter nor is it physically much smaller. It is an optical illusion that the Tucson is a lot smaller. Cargo space was sacrificed for passenger space on the Tucson and it(passenger space) is actually larger than the Santa Fe as measured in Cubic feet.
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- #25 of 51
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Re: Catalytic Converter skid plate installed backwards at factory [targettuning]
by flytedhy
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May 23, 2006 (10:21 am)
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Replying to: targettuning (May 22, 2006 5:53 am)
Hyundai DOES NOT use an antenna amplifier on the Tucson like you mentioned, that is incorrect. So you can defend Hyundai all day, thats obvious, you just can't seem to get the facts correct, thats obvious also. Since I'm qualified to talk about these vehicles in technical terms, it may be best for you to have discussions with others who enjoy more general non-technical issues. No offense meant, were just talking on two levels of knowledge here.
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- #27 of 51
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Re: Catalytic Converter skid plate installed backwards at factory [flytedhy]
by targettuning
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May 30, 2006 (8:11 am)
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Replying to: flytedhy (May 23, 2006 10:21 am)
It is a fact that several other model Hyundai's do/did use an amplifier... both of my Santa Fe's had them. In mid year 2004 Hyundai eliminated the "in the rear side glass" antenna in favor of a stubby rubber stick on the roof. Maybe ( you can probably confirm this) they also eliminated the amplifier at that time. The Tucson also has that rubber stick antenna so I guess if Hyundai eliminated the amp with possible better reception using the rubber stick then it does not have one. Go ahead use technical terms, I'll keep up. Note to host.. is this OK?
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Re: Catalytic Converter skid plate installed backwards at factory [targettuning]
by richtex
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Jun 04, 2006 (6:53 pm)
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Replying to: targettuning (May 30, 2006 8:11 am)
Just brought home a new Tucson Limited last Saturday. We are enjoying all the bells & whistles. On the antenna/amplifier issue, there IS an amp in the back under the cargo area, but I believe it is a stereo amp (for sound) and not an amplifier to boost the signal coming from the antenna. I think the sound quality is very good; the equalizer pre-sets (Classic, Jazz, Rock) are not that great to my ear but once you adjust the sound yourself using the treble/midrange/bass, it sounds good. 
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