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Re: 2007 328xi drive vs 2003 330xi [designman] by markcincinnati
Jan 01, 2007 (9:46 am)
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Replying to: designman (Dec 31, 2006 10:16 am)

I assume you will be going with an autotrans?
 
If this is correct, the newer 3xi also has a much improved transmission, now at 6 speeds vs the 5 speed auto that was the norm in the older version.
 
This with the torque coming on slightly sooner will make the new version "probably" feel more zippy than the older 3.
 
The mileage too will be better, the engine will pollute less and maintenance intervals are up to 15,000 miles for the normal routine stuff (oil is about it until you get past your term of ownership, basically.)
 
Overall, you will be taking a step forward.
 
The 335xi will be a BLAST, there is no doubt, but if you can't wait, well then that's that.
 
If you want to consider such a move (and I bet you won't since the new 335 will probably not have much BMW financial support at least initially -- translation high lease payments now, declining after a few months when the newness of the 335 is replaced by someone else's newness, etc.) you can ask to keep your current car for a couple of months.
 
Here are two possible scenarios. . .you keep the current car and make the lease payments and that's that. There have been times, however, when you can keep your current leased vehicle WITH a replacement on order and a portion of the lease payment is considered a cap cost reduction on the new car.
 
I am generally not in favor of a DP on a leased car PERIOD. This may be the one circumstance that if offered may make some sense if what you really really really want is a 335xi.
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Re: div2 [Mr_Shiftright] by div2
Jan 01, 2007 (10:08 am)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 28, 2006 11:40 am)

There is a misconception that it's a lack of maintenance that does in ATs, but really, the enemy is HEAT...
 
Well, yes and no. Excessive heat breaks down the ATF and the lubricated/moving parts in the transmission suffer accordingly. If the transmission isn't running all that hot, a change of the fluid at 50K-60K intervals will be sufficient to keep it running for 150K-200K miles.
 
I wish ATs had temp. gauges.
 
Don't hold your breath... My 1993 Pathfinder at least had an ATF temp warning light.
 
I wish BMW would fit a glass cockpit that could be configured by the driver. That way we gearheads could have all the information we want at our fingertips.
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Re: 2007 328xi drive vs 2003 330xi [circlew] by div2
Jan 01, 2007 (10:13 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Dec 31, 2006 9:55 am)

I do not know why they went from 330 to 328...doesn't make sense.
 
BMW model designations used to correspond with engine displacement. Tody the numbering system is used to differentiate cars within a model range.
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Re: div2 [div2] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Jan 01, 2007 (11:22 am)
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Replying to: div2 (Jan 01, 2007 10:08 am)

Really? An ATF heat warning light? That's very cool, I didn't know that....great idea!
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Re: 2007 328xi drive vs 2003 330xi [div2] by circlew
Jan 01, 2007 (12:13 pm)
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Replying to: div2 (Jan 01, 2007 10:13 am)

BMW model designations used to correspond with engine displacement. Today the numbering system is used to differentiate cars within a model range.
 
I was rereferringo the drop in power output. Doesn't make much sense to go from 255/230 to 230/200.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: 2007 328xi drive vs 2003 330xi [circlew] by designman
Jan 01, 2007 (2:19 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Jan 01, 2007 12:13 pm)

They’re careful about how much power they dole out. I guess they figure that jumping the 325 to 255 hp in the 328 is giving you a baker’s dozen, if you will. No free lunch. Taking the successor of this current 328 to 255 hp is a logical next step. It’s a good thing there are the HP wars. I don’t think they would have given the 335 that much power if it wasn’t for the competition. Think of how miserly Porsche is with power. A 245 hp Boxster equates financially to a 400 hp Corvette.
 
I believe it will get to a threshold where many customers will be quite satisfied with the power offered on the lower-end models, although it will always be different story with the performance-pushing buyers. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a shift in sales percentages from say the 335 to 328 in the future. Speed limits aren't being raised but power and acceleration times have improved substantially through the years. All of this is benefits the consumer and it’s a good thing too because we have to put up with all of the other bs they put into these new cars in addition to increasing weights.
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Re: 2007 328xi drive vs 2003 330xi [designman] by circlew
Jan 01, 2007 (3:53 pm)
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Replying to: designman (Jan 01, 2007 2:19 pm)

I agree with the weight issue in terms of lbs. or kg./HP. I always thought that a good wight limit in the compact to midsize segment should be around 3,000 lbs. The advent of lighter weight alloys will no doubt find their way into the design. Corvette has the right idea with the fiberglass body and magnesium/carbon fiber.
 
Then, you don't need 500hp/383 lb/ft of tourque to move the added weight in say an M6.
 
250/250 or 300/300 would be quite potent. Pushing 900 lbs. less is a big advantage for total performance IMO.
 
A Z06 weighs 3,132 lbs and comes close to my goal weight. This is probably the only car manufactured in the U.S. that is world class (now). With 500 HP/470 lb./ft. or in stock 400/400 model, there is more than enough blend for an enthusiast or meglo-enthusiast.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: 2007 328xi drive vs 2003 330xi [circlew] by kyfdx HOST
Jan 01, 2007 (5:11 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Jan 01, 2007 12:13 pm)

The 328 model didn't replace the 330i.. It is the entry level 3-series... It replaced the '06 325i (which also had a 3.0 litre engine). I believe the '06 325i was rated at 215 hp, so the 328i is a 15 hp jump from that model...
 
The 335i (turbocharged 3.0 litre) replaced the 330i.. A power jump from 260 hp to 300 hp..
 
2006.. the two 3-series models were 215/255 hp
 
2007.. the two 3-series models are 230/300 hp
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Re: 2007 328xi drive vs 2003 330xi [circlew] by manybmws
Jan 01, 2007 (7:34 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Dec 31, 2006 9:55 am)

335xi coupe out next September.
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Re: 2007 328xi drive vs 2003 330xi [manybmws] by markcincinnati
Jan 02, 2007 (11:55 am)
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Replying to: manybmws (Jan 01, 2007 7:34 pm)

335xi sedan out in March [of 007]!
 
Audi S4 performance for over $7,000 less -- with better gas mileage to boot!
 
Now if you could just get the RED leather interior in the sedan. . . .
 
 

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