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You are in the Cadillac CTS/CTS-V
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Cadillac CTS, Cadillac CTS-V, Sedan
#6168 of 6595 Re: CTSssv 2004 Engine Shakes [skuuter]
Jun 02, 2005 (4:06 pm)
Took the CTS to the dealer today and got the CD changed and the air bag recall, only took an hour.
Then the service mgr and advisor showed me a car with 10000 miles and it shutters and shakes just like mine at idol. They say that is what you get with the V6, as it was modified from a North Star engine.
They say Cadillac is NOT trying to fix it, BUT they will call me if they hear anything! They also say the 2003 model has had complaints and the 2.8 ver is even worse. BUT I am the first one to complain at the dealer.
I am an Engineer and very familiar with vibrations and have worked on engines from my Model T in 1944, when I was 14, to recently on my 1972 Comero and 1963 Cutlass. Guess I am too fussy, as you suggested.
It is a cam problem at idol combined, in my opinion, and a fuel/air mixture problem.
They ALSO claim no changes to the engine have taken place.
I am now going to rename my car CTSssv.
"SHUTTERS, SHAKES and VIBRATES"
What I am bothered about it as it took a year to develop. I drove a 2005 CTS loaner with 2000 miles and it DID not ssv.
I believe every body should complain about this problem, when they take the car in.
#6169 of 6595 Re: CTSssv 2004 Engine Shakes [richerry]
Jun 03, 2005 (7:47 am)
The 3.6 liter V6 is not a modified northstar V8. It is a 60 degree V6 design that was designed as a V6. The northstar is a 90 degree V8. The shortstar V6, available in Oldsmobiles only, was a "modified" northstar V6 engine. The shortstar was a 90 degree V6 design based on the northstar V8.
The 2003 CTS came with an Opel V6 of 3.2 liters that was a 54 degree design if I remember right. The 2004 CTS's with the manual transmissions had this engine yet. The current 2.8 liter V6 is based on the 3.6 design, but has a shorter stroke and smaller bore.
#6170 of 6595 Re: CTSssv 2004 Engine Shakes [sls002]
Jun 03, 2005 (11:16 am)
Thanks for the V6 description. The dealer was also a Oldsmobile dealer so guess they were mixed up.
Seems like you should know if the CTS 3.6 has been modified from 2004 to 2005 and 2006. I believe some changes could have taken place. Cadillac will have to fix this problem.
#6171 of 6595 Re: CTSssv 2004 Engine Shakes [richerry]
Jun 03, 2005 (5:31 pm)
Great to know that GM's dealer base takes the time to fully learn about their products and conveys accurate information to their customer base.....
Actually, most dealers are terrible at the product knowledge side of the equation, not just GM dealers.
#6172 of 6595 Re: CTSssv 2004 Engine Shakes [richerry]
Jun 05, 2005 (8:57 am)
GM's web site shows that they made some changes to make it quiter. One change is the chain that drives the cams. Most of the car magazines that have tested a vehicle with this engine have thought highly of it. I will say that my Seville's northstar is not as smooth when first started up cold, as it is fully warmed up.
#6173 of 6595 Navigation system with real time traffic
Jun 08, 2005 (7:39 am)
Has anyone purchased the Navigation system with traffic? What has been your general experience?
#6174 of 6595 CTS or CTS-V?
Jun 11, 2005 (6:20 am)
Am in the market for one of these great Caddys and would appreciate any thoughts or opinions. Is the V worth 10 Grand more than the "regular" CTS? What kind of gas mileage are you getting with each? Many thanks.
#6175 of 6595 CTS or CTS-V
Jun 11, 2005 (10:46 am)
Only you can answer that question. Take both for at least a 30 minue test drive, preferably hiway and twisty backroads, then make up your own mind. Othewise, you're asking for other people's subjective and biased opinons, which may not match yours.
#6176 of 6595 Re: CTS or CTS-V? [raleigh]
Jun 11, 2005 (9:35 pm)
There are several downsides to the V. First, you have to pay a 1300 gas guzzling fee listed on the window sticker. Then you have feed it with gas that is $2 a gallon. If you have plenty of money, that may not make a difference to you but it does to me. Drive the 6; it has a lot of pep. I was amazed at how fast it was when I test drove it. Also, I think you will take a bite when you go to resale or trade the V. With gas prices, I don't think it will be an easy sale. We have an 05 CTS purchased in December. We love the car. It is fast and handles great on the road.
#6177 of 6595 Re: CTS or CTS-V? [raleigh]
Jun 13, 2005 (6:14 pm)
I too am pondering this question. I've owned the 6cy VVT for a year and a half. Since I live and work in the DC area, the traffic calls for the automatic transmission. The pep and handling in the 6cy is great. It's the best in a mid-size sports sedan I've driven. Two minor recall issues is about the extent of the repairs. I've experienced the unusual tire wear and the cd player will need to be fixed soon like you could read about from many CTS forum members. Overall though, I love this car. Looks good and feels good. The seats are under-rated. Very comfortable and no problems with 3+ hour long drives.
Then I drove the V series once. 400HP is 400HP. Looks good, sounds good, feels good, it's all there, wrapped in a sweat $50k package. My buddy has one. He loves it but doesn't drive nearly as much as I do. He averaged 16mpg on a recent trip to Ocean City, MD. Cool thing here is, you can still put two car seats in the rear for the kids and blow the doors off the lexus, acura, infiniti, mustang tool boys whenever you want.
So you have to ask yourself, can you work the cell phone head set and gears in traffic? Can you afford the ~15% more in gas? Can you control your self in speed zones? Oh yeah, can your wife drive a stick? Mine can't so I think I'll be getting the V
All of this, then I read about the 06 models will have a new sports package with 18" sneakers and the sport tuned suspension. Add custom exhaust, air intake and perhaps a chip and now your over 300HP, looking and sounding good. Call it a "V-lite."
So it's a classic battle of mature husband/father versus 35 year old kid out of Manassas, VA that has some money now. I'm making a move out of my 04 later this summer, into one or the other.