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#5589 of 6595 Drove the CTS-V...
May 21, 2004 (2:43 pm)
I dropped by one of the local dealers here in Nashville (Crest) and discovered that they had a silver CTS-V just sitting on the lot. This muscle car was sitting next to one of the most unfortunate posers I'd ever seen. The poor CTS being sold in the next space looked like a refugee from MTV's "Pimp My Ride". In addition to the faux V-series grill, the car had Vogue wheels (with gold logos), Vogue "tyres" (with the ugly whitewalls with gold trim), and unfortunately, the fake convertible roof treatment I hoped would never see the light of day on a CTS. I know Vogue has a market, but go inflict your sensibilities on Lincoln....please!
Anyway, the CTS-V looked gorgeous. The real V-series grill looks quite similar to the Vogue knockoff except that the CTS-V's Cadillac logo is actually larger than the Vogue. The interior was very familar but the instrument gauge, and suede seat inserts instantly told me that I was in a different place. I was given the key to start the car and was greeted by a very different sound....the rumble of a big V-8. My 2003 CTS's 3.2L V6 all of a sudden seemed very inadequate.
The manager of the sales rep I was with allowed me to take it for a quick spin, which I couldn't pass up. Now for those of you who have read my previous posts, I am not a small guy. At nearly seven feet tall, I just squeeze into my CTS. It was this reason that my wife and I chose to get the automatic instead of the stick shift, which would have been her preference. So I don't normally drive stick shifts. As much fun as I was going to have, I was praying I wasn't going to do something stupid with the drivetrain of this car.
I slowly eased the car out of its space (without stalling it!) and headed for the street. There's a network of wide streets in a nearby office park which I decided to take. The first thing I noticed was that I'm a lousy shifter...but you knew that already. But the obvious asset of this car brings a big smail to your face. It really doesn't matter if you're in the wrong gear....this engine just rolls with it and provide all the torque you'd ever want. I didn't want to peel the tires of a car that wasn't out of its break-in period, but it's not really hard to do.
The other thing that stood out was the handling. My CTS 2003 LuxSport is no slouch in this department, and is a lot of fun to drive every day. But the CTS-V with the larger tires and firmer suspension felt like it was on rails. The extra weight in the front resulted in a little more understeer than I'm used to, but nothing out of the ordinary. But the overall nature of the car is still CTS..only better.
Of course, I then managed to stall the thing at the next stoplight....heh, nobody's perfect. I still don't think I could own one with a manual transmission (although the shifting wasn't as bad on my left leg's room as I thought). But I wouldn't kick out out of my garage by a wide margin. If you've got 50K lying around, you could do a lot worse than this car.
The same dealership also had an XLR on the showroom floor. Well, I can stop lusting after this car. Anyone who has a pants inseam of greater than 36" shouldn't even look at this vehicle. It's another one of those "impossible for me to drive" cars.
May 21, 2004 (3:34 pm)
that Lincoln comment was a little harsh (no matter how appropriate), but thanks much for the review.
As some here know, I threw in big-time with the Lincoln LS concept four years or so ago. They've since dropped the ball, but it looks like Cadillac is actually doing what Lincoln thought they wanted to do, in terms of developing the original model.
I really enjoy my LS, but when I think of moving on to something with more power and a manual, I used to be stuck, unless I wanted to pay for a BMW.
Now we have real options. Looks like Audi is eliminating their manual, and the BMW's styling and electronic situation leave me cold.
It's interesting to see what happens when a real car guy runs a car company. I'm stuck with the wannabe with little or no money.
In a couple of years (sooner, if the LS craps out) I'll probably be joining you.
May 21, 2004 (8:38 pm)
It was a joke....really!
#5592 of 6595 whir sound
May 22, 2004 (7:15 am)
I've noticed (some time ago, actually) a medium/high pitched whirring sound from my engine ('03 CTS, base model with auto). It's subtle enough that it could have been there since day one (especially since I drive with the radio on all the time, which partially drowns out the whir), but now that I've detected it I'm quite sensitive to its presence. It seems to occur at ~2000 rpms under light throttle (it doesn't appear to be directly tied to speed --so I don't think it is simply air whistling through somewhere-- although the aforementioned repm and throttle conditions typical exist when I'm cruising between 40 and 60 mph). At lower or higher rpms or when I'm giving the car more throttle, it disappears. Has anyone else detected this with their CTS? Is the engine noise suppose to behave like that (it doesn't have a "healthy" sound)? If not right, any suggestions what it may be? Thanks in advance.
May 22, 2004 (7:22 pm)
Does the sound only occur at 2000 rpms or does it continue to about 23 or 2400 rpms? Did you ever notice if the sound stopped even if only for a short time?
Can you hear it outside of the car or just inside?
Also where does the sound seem to be loudest? Does it sound like it is resonating near the instrument cluster or elsewhere?
See if you can hear it with the car in neutral (brake on) or P and just run the rpms up to 2000 to 2400. Make sure that the radio and the climate controls are off when you try it.
#5594 of 6595 mannytranny - observations
May 24, 2004 (6:39 pm)
Only got to do a small sampling of the high whir (I have a short commute), but here's what I observed:
- No whir when in park or neutral.
- The whir only seems to occur between 1700-1800rpm and 2000rpms (the "range") when I'm already at a steady 40-60mph cruise and just giving a little gas. If I let off the gas, the whir stops even though the rpms are still in the range, or if I'm giving medium or more gas there isn't any whir when passing through the range. If I maintain the light gas and stay within the range, the whir is constant, not intermittent. If whirring and I just slightly increase gas a fraction, the whir gets a little stronger/higher.
- The whir occurs regardless of whether climate control is on or off (so I don't think it's related to the A/C).
- I didn't observe the whir much above 2000-2100rpms, I think due to the fact that when I tried to creep paste that point the engine would apparently shift (the rpms would jump up to about 24-2500rpms).
- The sound doesn't sound like it's in the cabin with me, rather that I'm hearing something beyond the cabin in front of me from the engine area like other engine noises (I should have opened the window to see what I could hear, although I suspect the wind noise would make it impossible to conclude anything).
Since I can't get a whir when in park or neutral and that a little throttle is necessary to hear it, my guess is that it has to do with the specific gear (4th?) engaged (if I let completely of the gas, the whir goes away) when the CTS is cruising at highway speed. But I'm quite a novice when it comes to automotive mechanics, so I'm only wildly speculating. Is it something a simple oil change might help with? I go quite a long time between changes since I put so few miles on my CTS (I've had it over a year and it only has 5600 miles on it).
Thanks for giving my problem your time.
May 25, 2004 (5:08 am)
Open the hood and get a friend to check for the sound while you gradually increase the rpms . See if it is the sound of a pulley . You should be able to at least hear some of the whir sound with the hood open.
Make sure that the engine is hot when listeneing.
Also it could be a vacuum leak which you wouldn't hear under the hood.
Final guess that it is an harmonic sound in the exhaust pipe that you are hearing.
Check under the hood first.
#5596 of 6595 mannytranny - thannks
May 25, 2004 (5:29 am)
I'll pop the hood and do that soon. And I was wrong, the whir can occur when I'm not applying gas --I noticed that while on a gently declining stretch this morning that I could take my foot off the gas and the decline being enough to maintain my speed at about 50mph and the rpms at about 1900 the whirring persisted even after I fully removed my foot from the gas.
#5597 of 6595 Cadillac Aware of Rearend Whine
May 25, 2004 (8:16 am)
I am posting this in both the SRX and CTS forums.
Talked with my service manager yesterday about the rearend whine in my SRX.
He says most of them are doing it around 27-29 mph.
Mine starts at 29 mph and goes all the way up to 70 mph.
He has had another SRX in that is much louder than mine.
They could always install another gear set, but he wouldn't guarantee that it would solve it.
He wants me to wait until Cadillac comes up with a fix before he does anything.
Which I am okay with.
The upshot of this post is to let you guys know that Cadillac is well aware of the problem and as of yet does not have a fix, but he expects there will be one soon.
#5598 of 6595 Re: whir sound [cu95 #5583]
May 25, 2004 (1:10 pm)
I've noticed a sound in my '03 CTS LuxSport that may be the same thing, though I'd characterize more as a medium-pitched "whine", or perhaps "howl". Happens at very light throttle around 36-45 MPH, or when I let off the gas and coast at these speeds. Goes away under acceleration or when speed drops low enough for automatic downshift to lower gear. I have a feeling it may have something to do with the "engine braking" logic built into this drivetrain, since it sounds (and feels - there's a very slight drag sensation) similar to what you'd get when you let off the gas on a manual transmission around what would otherwise be your shift point. Seems to be more pronounced when I have the transmission in Sport mode (which is most of the time). Anyone else observed this? You're right, it doesn't sound particularly "healthy", but it's been there for a long time and has not gotten any worse (I'm over 30K now). Could it be that this tranny likes to be driven and howls in protest when you baby it?