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#5506 of 6595 Cadillac is kicking Lincoln to the Curb
May 01, 2004 (4:59 am)
Looks like Lincoln is basically imploding.
Or Cadillac is just too strong.
Production data for the first 4 months of the year:
Cadillac: 2004 is 92,584 vs. 75,898 in 2003.
Lincoln: 2004 is 55,143 vs. 59,712 in 2003.
CTS 2004 is 24,702 vs. 21,940 in 2003.
LS 2004 is 8,487 vs. 15,694 in 2003.
Most of Cadillac's increase seems to be in the production of the SRX at over 15,000 units.
SRX is not selling great.
2800 in March, but is being produced at a rate over 4,000 per month. Although in the last month production is down to 800-900 units per week.
When the STS comes out I expect Cadillac to produce twice as many vehicles as Lincoln. They might even do that this year.
May 01, 2004 (6:42 am)
I wouldn't say they're imploding - more like wilting on the vine from lack of $$$ and new vehicles. They're on the way but they're obviously years behind. Amazing how much damage the firestone fiasco did. The engineers and capability are there - there's a 430 hp Lincoln LS entered in the One Lap of America race this week. They just need the $$$ and management support. That's something Caddy has had for the last 3 years in spades and it shows.
#5508 of 6595 4000 SRX a month
May 01, 2004 (7:50 am)
Is way over forecast... almost double - 25-30K a year was the number I saw before the SRX was released. Even 2800 is over forecast.
I wonder if they can actually sell that many, or if they're going to pile up on the lots?
The Slade and CTS both set sales records in March. They've both been around awhile, but just seem to get more and more popular.
#5509 of 6595 eaton53
May 01, 2004 (9:38 am)
SRX sold 2800 in March. 15% more than in February.
CTS was originally supposed to sell 25-30K per year and sold 50K last year.
It is selling even better this year.
A few weeks ago they produced 1700+ CTSs in 1 week. That was an all time high for production.
Still can't figure out why there is no automanual in the CTS.
ALL of it's competitors have it.
SRX is hard to get in and out of. Wide sills are to blame. Plus the price are the reason for the poor showing.
My dealer now has more SRXs on his lot than CTSs.
#5510 of 6595 More production stuff
May 01, 2004 (9:43 am)
I have a feeling that Cadillac is producing the CTS and SRX in big numbers in anticipation of the
STS production starting in a few weeks.
STS production will undoubtley cut into CTS/SRX production even though there are additional shifts now.
You guys may remember my posts about how low CTS production was this past Fall. This was because SRX production slowed down CTS production.
The SRX, CTS and STS are not only produced in the same plant but on the same line.
#5511 of 6595 Re: Cadillac is kicking Lincoln to the Curb [b4z #5497]
May 01, 2004 (12:09 pm)
I got kicked off an LS board for (among other things) pointing out that GM was actually doing what Ford was talking about. I compared the LS to the CTS all the time, and the primary response was: "it's ugly."
In my world, that's a subjective thing. The objective thing is sales (more often lease) numbers. I've referred to them from time to time as well. The most typical response is that in a year or two the pent-up demand will subside, and the CTS will "enjoy" the same sales decline the LS is seeing. Hmmm. . . Not seeing it yet.
Read it and think. If FoMoCo had the balls and $ to do what Cadillac has done, it'd be an interesting discussion. As it is (as Allen pointed out), FoMoCo doesn't have a pot to (do much with) and here we are.
When my LS packs up, which I hope is several years away, the CTS is one of my replacement options. The LS isn't, since they got rid of the manual.
Anyway, the market is speaking. I'm banished, but apparently not wrong.
May 01, 2004 (2:01 pm)
As long as Cadillac doesn't let the CTS's price balloon the way the Lincoln LS did, I don't think there will be a serious decline in sales. Look at BMW 3 and 5 series sales. Even as each model neared the end of it's current design, sales stayed strong. Lincoln LS sales were pretty strong for the first 3 years then they began to slide. Part of this was due to the fact that Lincoln pretty much quit advertising the LS and I think part of it was also due to the higher MSRP prices which were immediately brought back down to more realistic levels by incentives. Personally, I would love to see Cadillac AND Lincoln kicking everybody else to the curb in terms of sales. Cadillac may very well be in the running for nearing the top of the luxury sales charts again, but sadly I don't think Lincoln is anytime soon. If Cadillac keeps CTS pricing in line and keeps it on a diet of updates every few years(i.e. automanual transmission, upgraded interior) I think sales will remain strong.
May 01, 2004 (5:39 pm)
I took my Oldsmobile to the dealer today. On their lot there was a crap load of the SRX's. I think they are awesome vehicles but WAY, WAY overpriced for a base V6 model.
May 01, 2004 (6:26 pm)
I think it is a plot by Cadillac to over awe the opposition by the number of SRX's they can accumulate on the dealership lots. (LOL)
May 02, 2004 (5:53 am)
Has the buildup of units on the dealers lot triggered any special incentives ?