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Cadillac CTS, Cadillac CTS-V, Sedan
#5357 of 6595 The Past Several. . .
Mar 02, 2004 (7:07 pm)
posts help explain why the CTS appears to be gaining strength in the market while my car (Lincoln LS) is not.
I could be wrong. Does anyone have the 2003 sales numbers for the two cars, plus the first two months of this year? I have a theory regarding the results, but I'll await actual data.
The interesting thing is that Cadillac has introduced additional models of the CTS, while Lincoln continues to sell the LS to people who need something smaller than a Town Car to park.
#5358 of 6595 Sales
Mar 02, 2004 (7:42 pm)
Last year's CTS sales were just short of 50,000.
Double what Cadillac thought it would sell.
February 2004 sales were 4800. 36% more than last year!
SRX was up 52% over January at 2283.
Cadillac is absolutley blowing Lincoln out of the water at this point.
Mar 02, 2004 (7:56 pm)
When I test drove the CTS, I probably spent half an hour looking for the gas cap door release. Finally I just tried opening it and found it opened. No lock. That too surprised me but I noticed a lot of high end cars at the Chicago Auto show also didn't have locking gas cap doors. A light would be nice in the glove compartment if there was enough room to actually store things other then the owners manual. I'd rather see a light in the center console.
Mar 03, 2004 (7:23 am)
LS sales are 4837 for Jan/Feb versus 8116 for CTS.
Don't forget that the LS sold well over 50,000 units each of it's first 2 years also. I'd say the CTS is exactly where the LS was at the same point in it's model life. If the CTS can maintain 50K/yr beyond the first 2 years THEN it can claim bragging rights. Until then it looks like a dead heat to me.
#5361 of 6595 akirby
Mar 03, 2004 (10:11 am)
Cadillac car sales are actually down from last year. But truck sales are up.
The only reason cars sales are down is because the Seville has been discontinued and the deville's sales are off.
No matter how good CTS's sales are it can make up for both the deville and the Seville.
Here are the diferences in production for Lincoln and Cadillac.
Lincoln: 27,000 vehicles built this year.
Cadillac: 42,000 vehicles built this year.
Lincoln: 2,000 vehicles less than last year.
Cadillac: 6,000 vehicles more than last year.
Granted some of those Cadillacs are being built for Overseas
sales, but the momentum is with Cadillac.
I remember a Ford Executive who said 2 years ago that he didn't
think there was a business case for GM to be pouring as much money
into Cadillac as it was over the next couple of years.
How wrong he was.
Mar 03, 2004 (11:00 am)
Cadillac has lots of new models, and that's good. Lincoln doesn't and that's not good.
Caddy has spent a fortune on new models and advertising. You don't recover the R&D costs of a new platform in a year or two of good sales. They're on the right track but it will be another couple of years of sustained sales before you can really say whether the huge investment paid off. Another key is to keep refreshing the product (e.g. 3.6L engine and CTS-V). If not sales will definitely drop.
Mar 03, 2004 (4:19 pm)
Since a locking gas cap door and glove box lighting seem to be a major requirement for purchasing . What other high end cars did you notice lacking a locking gas cap door at the Chicago show . Maybe the locking gas cap door is no longer considered vogue in luxury models?
Mar 03, 2004 (5:38 pm)
As a current LS owner(and a fan of the car) Lincoln's biggest problem is they have let the price of the LS sky rocket(although the rebates make it attainable at a very reasonable price) and there is little or no advertising for the car. As akirby said, the LS was selling at the 50K annually rate for the first couple of years and then began to drop off. While 03s got a significant upgrade, the MSRP of them also went up and as you said, Lincoln seemed to start pitching these cars more at the T-car crowd who wants something smaller. Remember the LS ads from 2000 and early 2001? They actually promoted the car's performance side a bit. The last LS ad I remember seeing seemed to focus more on the car's available THX audio system them the performance capabilities of the car. It doesn't hurt that Lincoln isn't rolling out new product at a very fast rate either. If Cadillac will keep the CTS's price at realistic levels(and not inflate it just to discount it) and continue to offer refinements to the car, they can sustain the rate they are currently selling them at. BMW has no trouble doing this.
#5365 of 6595 it's not that locking gas doors...
Mar 04, 2004 (7:16 am)
and glove box lights are "major" requirements, but, it's disappointing that they are lacking at this price point.
Let me ask this of the CTS owners here: Do the rear seat passengers have a reading light they can control? I definitely remember the center overhead light back there not having a switch on it. I can't remember if there were "outboard" lights by the doors. If "no", can the driver turn on ONLY the rear light? I don't remember that ability.
Not having proper reading lights in the back seat = another example of something that every car over $20k seems to have these days but the CTS lacks.
Is it a "major" requirement? No, just very disappointing.
Mar 04, 2004 (11:02 am)
I'll never stop being amzed by what people consider to be necessities in their cars. A locking gas cap? Separate reading lights for rear set passengers? A glove box light in a glove box too small to hold anything but the owners' manual?
I guess this why front wheel drive, poor handling cars with lots of gizmos in them sell in this country. A decent amount of comfort is nice, but to pick a car because of the gizmos seems odd. I find locking gas gaps to be more of an annoyance than anything else, and can't ever remember a time when people in my back seat needed their own reading lights. It's a CTS, not a minivan.
Anyway, I also heard a comment about "plastic noises" from the dash. I don't have any squeaks and rattles in my dash ( 27K miles). Was this a test drive car you heard them in? I find the CTS to be very well buttoned up.
Oh, and last but not least, I FINALLY got my cluster replaced yesterday to fix the out-of-sync clock problem. Now the backlights from the needles hit me in the eye from about 20-50 mph, so it's going back in on Monday. Grrr...