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Cadillac CTS, Cadillac CTS-V, Sedan
#3562 of 6595 CTSV Projected Price
Jun 20, 2003 (3:25 pm)
Since the projected price of the CTSV is $50k and the challenge was to find competing sedans within $10k, the CLK500 and BMW 540i are well within that range. I was comparing similar cars with similar options thus V8 to V8 etc. Using the Edmunds pricing option getting the 2004 CTS with 3.6 engine and the other high end options that were bragged about above (Navigation etc) comes out to $43.5K (without taxes and docs which are high here in California). For a 6 cylinder, an exceptional 6 cylinder, but still a 6. And I was speaking of the CTSV, which looks like it will be a fine car. Once again my point wasn't to knock the CTS, it was the attitude of Cadillac and its dealers, at least here in So. Cal. What part of attitude adjustment don't you get? The CTS may be hot now but it may not always be that way (sic transit gloria mundae). So treat potential customers with a little respect and can the take it or leave it attitude. I can afford any of the cars listed in my first post. I wanted to replace my current German performance car with an American made car. But $50K with an attitude leaves me headed elsewhere. And the residual value of the BMW and CLK are higher than the CTS which I didn't even factor in. Again, the CTS is a fine car, the CTSV may be an exceptional car, but probably not worth my $50K. Others may disagree and want to buy two. Its not about the car as much as the attitude.
#3563 of 6595 wulf007
Jun 20, 2003 (3:37 pm)
I have redone my post #3552.
Fully loaded '04 CTS has gone up quite a bit.
CTS is priced like 3 series but closer in size to
I think 5 series has better front legroom(I am 6'7").
Cadillac dealers have some serious spending to do on their facilities and staff.
The best thing about the CTS is that it has made Cadillac cool again.
#3564 of 6595 necros
Jun 20, 2003 (3:41 pm)
Any pics of the CTS with it's front wheels up?
#3565 of 6595 ctsjerry
Jun 20, 2003 (3:47 pm)
Wish I could afford a CTS with most of the options, but there is no way I am spending $5200 on a 1SB package to get the $645 Xenon headlights.
I predict there will be a healthy blackmarket in CTS xenon headlights the way there is with the Acura TL's being liberated and installed in Accords.
#3566 of 6595 Miscellaneous....Clock, Options, Pricing, etc.
Jun 20, 2003 (3:51 pm)
CLOCK rob35cts: Thanks for the info on the clock fix. I was at my dealers service dept today and they were going to look into any TSBs on the clock. According to the service guy Cadillac's "fix" for the clock was to stick in a temp gauge in place of the clock in new models...he said they were never able to get many of the clocks to sync up properly. That doesn't do me very much good unless they are willing to replace my instrument cluser like they did on yours or unless I trade my CTS in on a 2004. Regardless, I'll talk to them more next week when I take my car in to get a couple of annoying squeaks fixed.
REBATES berrycherry: I know this isn't "positive" but I disagree with your opinion that GM shoud be required to give a loyalty discount to all former GM customers. SHOULD GM give a loyalty discount? -Yes, IMO...but a class action lawsuit to get a few bucks off of a new car is ridiculous! Also, I don't know what you're referring to by your repeat reference to a Ford discount. I'm a former Ford driver and have driven NOTHING but Ford until recently. If you read the fine print they give a discount on all cars EXEPT anything you'd actually want to buy or that could be considered highly 'desireable' such as the SVT models, Cobra or Mach Mustang, Thunderbird, and/or Harley Davidson. Really there's no point in arguing the GM/Ford incentives since Ford hasn't made a decent 4 door sedan in YEARS and offers nothing currently that could even come close to competing with the CTS. If you're unhappy with GMs pricing structure feel free to buy a Taurus!
PRICING ctsjerry: I couldn't agree more with your comments on pricing. My wife and I tend to be on the bleeding edge when it comes to buying/accepting new products and designs as we were when buying the CTS. I remember the naysayers who predicted poor resale value for the CTS and said that it was a 'dated' look. It seems that used CTS's are holding their value fine and that the design is becoming MORE popular as other manufacturers try and copy the look. Popularity is increasing and price follows. I only hope I'll be able to afford the V series when it comes time to trade my CTS in on a new model.
SADDENING cjs2002: I don't know what part of the country you live in, but here on the West Coast there are plenty of base model/base model w/auto CTS's on the lots. Don't give up and buy a G35 yet!
OPTIONS wwhite2: Of course you're happy with the option packages since you HAVE every option! I'd be happy if black was the only color option since that's the one I chose but that doesn't mean that others wouldn't like more choices. My biggest gripe is not so much the option and pricing structure but the fact Cadillac is trying to go "upscale" with the entire line yet I have a manual seat positioning bar that sticks out 3" on the passenger side, no homelink garage door opener, and no compass on my base model CTS...these basic luxuries come standard on many 'lesser' (and less expensive) cars.
WHEELS: The design of both 16" and 17" wheels is great but I like neither. IMO they are both undersized...give us 18" wheels on the CTS!!!!
XENON HEADLIGHTS: I'm glad I didn't get this option since the stock lights are PLENTY bright. Those lamp washers on the Xenon package sure look cool though!
#3567 of 6595 rebates/incentives,etc.
Jun 20, 2003 (4:08 pm)
I think the most important thing gM needs to work on is the resale value. If they were to price the vehicles correctly out of the box there would be no need for $3-4000 incentives.
My '01 Impala has dropped over 50% in 2 years.
That is just plain scary.
#3568 of 6595 b4z - Xenon Lights
Jun 20, 2003 (4:08 pm)
Hi b4z- I need to check my Sticker. I think I paid $450 for my HID lights, but I'm not sure (Senior Moment). I do recall my BMW buddy told me the price I was paying was a steal compared to BMW HIDs. And to ADD them to a BMW is thousands of dollars. At least that's what he said, and I got them. They are really nice. No shadow effect like some folks say about the standard lights. As I've posted before, the HIDs are a product of Hughes Electronics. The light cuts off horizontally at about rear trunk level on the cars ahead of me. Bright light below, completely dark above. Doesn't blind oncoming drivers. Very cool!
#3569 of 6595 b4z- Resale Value?
Jun 20, 2003 (4:16 pm)
I think it's hard for a Manufacturer to control resale value, as so many different factors go into that. Certain cars do well, and others just don't. It's the Free Marketplace in action. The only control they have is QUALITY. I think CTS excells in that arena, so it will hold it's value a bit more than the average car. Like most new cars & trucks, they still lose about $3000-$4000 just driving off the lot. Man was I upset when I watched over the years my cherry 1991 Caddy drop from $32,000 to $1500 when I ultimately bought my CTS! Thank goodness, I was able to sell it privately for $5000 (Another reason not to trade in your old car thru the Dealer!).
#3570 of 6595 ctsjerry
Jun 20, 2003 (4:16 pm)
Read my post #3519 about the xenon headlights for '04.
Those '91 caddies are quite popular with a lot of people.
#3571 of 6595 Picking & Choosing Options?
Jun 20, 2003 (4:27 pm)
I agree with you guys that in this day and age, it seems you should be able to custom order a car EXACTLY as you want (Cadillac are you listening?)
Any color, interior color, engine, option, radio, headlights, etc. should be available. It is frustrating, but I guess the CTS's Manufacturing process, as advanced as it is, still isn't up to that. It will happen in a few years I'm sure.
But as long as GM and other manufacturers can sell all the cars they want to, there's not much incentive to change. But seriously, I do think GM and others are working on that possibility.
Part of it probably is the "Just In Time" philosophy of Manufacturing that is so fashionable these days. The idea is for a Manufacturer NOT to have warehouses full of parts, thus saving storage costs. That amounts to saving alot of money for the Manufacturer. If everyone could custom order their cars and trucks right down to the last detail, that would require ALL parts to be available at any moment. You can see how this wouldn't work with the "Just In Time" system unless everything worked PERFECTLY. It never does. The current system lets them plan ahead a bit, so they can project so many Luxury Sport cars with all their goodies, so many Standard Base cars with their equipment, etc.