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#3546 of 6595 I Hate To Say I Told You So But....
Jun 20, 2003 (9:04 am)
What did I tell you folks earlier? The 2003 is an "Introductory Offer" from Cadillac. The price is going up from here. Those of you who can barely afford a 2003, will find the 2004 and 2005 completely out of reach. Unless you discover the cure for Cancer or get a big inheritance, I suggest you find a 2003 CTS and buy it. Even if it's a bit more than you can afford, get the best optioned car you can find. You'll love it! I NEVER thought I like the Heated Seats, HID Xenon lights or the 6 CD in dash Bose System. Now I can't imagine being without them. Signed, The Old Man In The Cave (Jerry)
Jun 20, 2003 (9:07 am)
Why does this bother you so much? GM is free to do whatever incentives that their marketing guys think is a good idea. It's nothing new. Some things work and some things don't. A lawsuit is not going to help...if anything, it's completely frivilous.
And GM has had "customer loyalty" incentives in the recent past for Cadillac too. As we've seen this past year, various incentives come and go. You take advantage of whatever's available when you are in the market. Crying about the fact that Ford owners are getting a "conquest" rebate won't help anyone.
If this bothers you so much, write a letter (paper, not email) to GM executive management expressing your displeasure. Be professional, polite and concise (use bullet points). Make sure the chief of marketing gets a copy. You might be surprised how often this kind of feedback gets read.
Jun 20, 2003 (9:18 am)
I have to disagree. Every single product at GM get re-evaluated for its ROI at least once a year and quite often more than that. In an economy where incentives cut brutally from the bottom line, automakers have to find ways to make money somehow. If they aren't going to make money at GMAC, then they have to make up for it somewhere. That means raising prices.
Then there's the tried and true supply & demand curves. Demand is up for the CTS and the car can fetch more dollars. Combine that with some (likely) more expensive bits in the 2004 model and you could have easily predicted a price increase.
GM is doing this knowing there might be some downside. I remember when my dealer told me that half their CTS buyers got the base model and wanted to be out the door paying no more than $32K. The price increases that have come down the pike in the last year don't help that equation. But they think the demand is still high enough to support it.
#3549 of 6595 sevenfeet0 Conquest Rebates
Jun 20, 2003 (10:44 am)
Guess you must work at GM or something associated.
Gm should always have customer loyality on GM cars.
You were talking about if you had a Cadillac you could get a customer loyality rebate.
I have Olds, Buick and Pontiac now. Earlier I had a Cadillac.
Unless you can say something positive, dont answer my comments.
#3551 of 6595 sevenfeet0: CTS Price Increases
Jun 20, 2003 (11:19 am)
You say you disagree with me, but I don't really think you do. It's pretty obvious that the 2003 CTS was a gamble for GM & Cadillac that has paid off well. They have sold more than they ever expected. The price is going up. According to posters at this site, Dealer supplies of '03 models are drying up. They are upset about the higher costs and more restrictive packaging options. As time goes on, the bigger engines like the 3.6L and 400 HP V8 will command even higher prices. Especially if the popularity of the CTS continues to grow, and I predict it will. The soon-to-be-boiling interest in the SRX & XLR will ultimately drive up the value of the lower priced CTSs, because of their similar styling. You can take that to the Bank.
I think the fact that 0% financing has evaporated on the 2003 CTSs (but not on other models), tells alot about their popularity. As you say, GM wants to make money and move cars out the door. The market will reflect that, and since the CTS is doing so well, the prices will rise. I still recommend buying one now, if you can. However, if you can afford the cost difference and dealing with Cadillac's new Option packaging, waiting for an '04 3.6L V6 might be an excellent idea too. It's all up to you, but in any case I know you'll love that new CTS as much as we do!
#3552 of 6595 Last Call: CTS Gathering TOMORROW!
Jun 20, 2003 (11:23 am)
We hope some of you will join us for this informal gathering TOMORROW, June 21st. It's just for fun. Organized by car enthusiasts like you.
Bring your new CTS out and we'll discuss any ideas or tips you may have. For those who are just thinking about buying one, come by and check them out. Talk to real owners. I have 25 new 2003 CTS brochures to pass out the the first 25 persons to attend.
The Del Taco/Pep Boys lot is located on the southwest corner of La Tijera and Manchester, in Westchester, CA (Los Angeles). Just 1.5 miles west of the 405 Freeway, and just a minute drive north of LAX. Even if you live in the San Fernando Valley (BingoMan?) or Orange County, we hope you can make it!
We want to emphasize that we want owners and non-owners to attend. Plan on eating with us at Del Taco. They are nice enough to let us use their parking lot.
Email me if you are coming at Jerrylaccc.com . -Jerry:>)
#3554 of 6595 Pricing Disincentives
Jun 20, 2003 (11:56 am)
As I have posted before, I think Cadillac marketing people have been smoking something out of a Mexican garden. Projected prices of $50k for a CTSV and SRX (with V8 & AWD), $10K luxo-sport package on CTS? In this economy? I don't think too many in the G35 crowd will want to spend an extra $15k no matter how nice it is. And I seriously doubt the BMW-MBZ fanatics will switch over, for resale value alone. Look, I think they are fine vehicles and I would expect a reasonable increase in prices. It would also help if their option packages weren't insanely bundled. But instead of trying to get market share over a couple of years and get brand loyalty, they have decided to "force" these vehicles into a niche market they want. More power to them but the take it or leave it attitude of the dealers here in Southern California remind me of Ford dealers a few years ago. People left it. Cadillac also wants to change the demographics of their buyers to less than the current 58 years old. This attitude isn't going to get them there.
I can afford either of these vehicles and had a interest in acquiring one. But when the price reaches 50 large there are a number of nice alternatives. Local dealer tells me they hope people who can't quite swing the cost of a CTSV at $50k will "settle" for a 3.6 CTS at $40k. But they might also "settle" for another brand, maybe not quite as nice for a whole lot less or pay a few more bucks and go higher up the food chain.
Good luck on the meeting tomorrow. Hope its well attended.
#3555 of 6595 wulf007
Jun 20, 2003 (12:01 pm)
Name 1 sedan that will have the performance of the CTS-V and that is within 10K MSRP.
Can't choose the GTO because that is a coupe.