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Cadillac CTS, Cadillac CTS-V, Sedan
May 25, 2003 (5:32 am)
My wife and I are coming up on 8 full months of ownership on our CTS with 15,100 miles(!) on the clock. It's our only car right now, so we depend on it heavily. So far, this is an easy car to recommend. The upsides so far include:
Tight as a drum chassis
Superior handling (we have the LuxSport model)
No dashboard squeaks or strange noises
Better room that a BMW 3, Audi A4, or Lexus IS
Decent mileage for the class (I see just under 21 MPG on average)
Looks like nothing else on the road
Could use some more power to better compete with the class leaders (fixed in 2004)
Dashboard and door designs will be a little stark coming from Lexus...this may take some getting used to, but general ergonomics are very good.
Automatic headlights could come on a little faster at dusk (nitpick)
Although I'm only 38 years old, I've owned three previous Cadillacs of 70's, 80's and 90's vintages. This car is not even produced by the same company in my opinion. It's so good, I'd not hesitate in getting another one or recommending it to others.
One of the other nice things is that Cadillac finally seems to realize that they just can't create a product and allow it to lie around the marketplace for 5-7 years with no real updates. The CTS's dash cluster has already changed to gauges that light up white at night instead of orange and replaced the dash board clock with a water temp gauge. This rolling change happened before the 2003 model year ended.
The gray license plate holder of the current car will reportedly change to a body color design for 2004 (as of right now, only black or gray body colors looked good from the rear of 2003 cars). The 2004 CTS will also gain suspension improvements gained from customer feedback and experience in designing the SRX, due out at the same time. And finally, the 400-HP CTS-V is due by years end. There is a lot of upside for this car.
There are "conquest" incentives for certain buyers, but they seem to vary from region to region and some expire after certain periods of time. Check with your dealer.
I would shop around and make sure that your Cadillac dealer is up to your Lexus standards. Most Caddy dealerships care very good but there are a few out there who haven't gotten with the program. Ask lots of questions. My dealer experience was so good the deal was done in less than 5 minutes and we still trade email from the sales rep on our experience with the car. Our rep ended up buying one too.
One last word about the handling: I've written in these pages before that my pregnant wife manuevered successfully out of a potentially life threatening situation when a large shovel fell off the back of a dump truck at 60 MPH. The reaction capabilities of this car is top notch.
May 25, 2003 (8:57 pm)
Thats my color! I love that blue on the CTS. I've only seen a couple of them in that color, but they are sharp. Keep us posted on how you like the car.
May 25, 2003 (10:58 pm)
I recently noticed some moisture inside the clear plastic insert on the back of the trunk lid, which contains the license plate cavity. Is that what was referred to in an earlier post as the "surround"? I will attempt to have it corrected next time I have to bring the car in for maintenance, either routine or otherwise, but don't want to give up the car for what is essentially a cosmetic shortcoming.
Have been away from here for some time and just skimmed over more than 300 posts. It's good to see so much interest in the CTS. I now have over 14K and enjoy the car more every day. Two comments on the posts I noted:
I wrote this several months ago, but I went though the octane issue, too. After confirming that 87 was "sanctioned" by the manual, I used it on a 1200 mile trip, carefully monitoring MPG using 91 octane outbound and 87 driving home. The route was level and wind was not a factor. What surprised me is that I got better MPG with the 87. Someone here explained why that could be, although I have to admit it makes no sense to me. But the fact is that I consistently get better MPG with 87, and I don't observe any acceleration/performance deficit.
Regarding the two clocks issue, I'm not sure how serious the discussions were intended to be, but originally the radio did not have a digital clock feature. The Bose radio delivered with my CTS in September '02 did not have a clock (and also had a steering wheel button that activated the built-in cell phone). My radio had to be replaced and the new radio has the second clock, and the Audio Mute feature instead of the cell phone steering wheel button (both of which I prefer). The digital was added because the the analog was going to be replaced with the temp gauge, but for a few months there would be cars built with two clocks. My dealer claims they were told by Cadillac that the analog clock can't be adjusted to conform to the digital time (my analog's about three minutes slower). I have no doubt that is what Caddy told them, but I also have no doubt that it can be corrected but Cadillac doesn't want to incur the expense of correcting a sloppy mistake. I agree with many here that Cadillac is improving in quality, but I doubt MB, BMW or Lexus would let that kind of defect, which is what it is, go uncorrected. Until it can change the corporate culture bean counter mentality and realize how important the little details are to their image, Cadillac will never be in the same league as the real luxury cars. And that's from someone who likes the CTS a whole lot, and has driven deVilles and and an STS. Imagine what the Cadillac/CTS detractors are saying.
May 26, 2003 (1:55 am)
I have the same moisture problem . Have yet to bring it in . I read that the assembly will be replaced with one that will not leak . I didnt have a clock sync problem until I made a correction for daylight savings time and now have a 3 minute difference
#3130 of 6595 mcgreenx - moisture problem
May 26, 2003 (6:15 am)
I have the same problem that I talked about in an earlier post. Seems that the problem was with the original supplier of the license plate surround,( the clear plastic areas on the trunk lid) according to my service advisor. The part will not be available until early July. They will call me to schedule installation. It will take about ½ hour.
It just doesn't look good. But since we have not had sunny days here for quite a while there is no chance for the moisture to evaporate. Just a minor cosmetic fix. I'm probably the only one that really notices it!
May 26, 2003 (9:11 am)
I dont drive my CTS in the rain(garaged) because of that leak . When I wash it soap suds end up inside the assembly. I will see if my dealer knows about the replacement assembly and put one on order
#3132 of 6595 Golfnuts, bugs and big guys
May 26, 2003 (10:49 am)
Golfnut5 - Congrats and welcome to the zany world of CTS lovers. Keep us posted on your experience.
TheBug - I don't suppose you took it to a dyno before the exhaust job, did ya'? Would you consider doing that post-install? I'd love to see the numbers. This mod is definitely on my to-do list. Please write us on all your experiences with the work done and the results.
Bigguyjer - Have you used the search capability on this board? It's actually very good. Just type in the models and it'll find the posts with our humble and not so humble opines. I had a chance to compare the MB 320, the Jag and the LS against the Cad on a set course that included a skid pad, acceleration strip, slalom, high and low speed cornering and emergency maneuver sections. In all sections the Cad was equal or better than the MB and came with a roomier interior. The interiors of the Jag and the LS had slightly finer appointments but their handling (nearly identical between the two) was too soft with too much body roll for my tastes.
...and yes I too have the rear license surround leak. On mine it looks not so much a leak as a small amount water getting trapped in the "gutter" between the plastic inset and the body panel. I'll see if I can get this fixed at the next oil change which will hopefully coincide with the part availability.
PS For those on the competitive track... I hope to show the Cadillac flag at a rally on June 7. My scheduled navigator was into the rally scene big time in Southern California and a former Sunbeam Alpine driver so maybe I have a snowball's chance.
May 26, 2003 (12:09 pm)
No doubt the clock thing is something that can fixed, but it's not a major problem and I'm glad Cadillac did the right thing and put a proper temp gauge in the dash. As for others not letting such a small thing go, Lexus probably wouldn't but I'd dare say you can find some little "nagging" things in an MB or a BMW. Not to get off topic here or start a debate, but I believe it was Automobile had a long term review of the MB C320 and while the car did pretty well among owners, I was shocked at a few of the owner comments on problems. One guy's C320 had been in the shop for as many days in one year as my lemon Olds Intrigue has been. And most problems with the C were things like A/C and electrical system problems. BTW, has any of the auto mags done a 1 year test of the CTS? I know Autoweek did an autofile review a couple months back but I have not seen a one year review in MT or C&D. I would be very curious to see how they would rate the car after having it a year and also how readers who own the car rate it.
#3134 of 6595 GM EMPLOYEES & FAMILY MEMBERS
May 26, 2003 (3:23 pm)
Any of you recieved the coupons for the GM employee deal to give to non-family members ? The program is called "Put a GM in the driveway".
If you have one handy, is there an expiration date on them? Post if you do.
My bud got his friday, I expect mine soon!
Will have.. maybe 1 or 2 to give away......geo