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Cadillac CTS, Cadillac CTS-V, Sedan
#3090 of 6595 Lansing Grand River Plant
May 22, 2003 (9:59 am)
Tyler is 100% right. I don't know if many of you have seen the video put out by Cadillac of how the 2003 CTS is built. The video is AWESOME. It shows the robotic painting process and has discussions with the line workers and Team Leaders. They are very excited about the new CTS and really want it to succeed. All of the workers have 10 to 20 years of experience, and have been hand selected by GM to work on the CTS line. The whole process is apparently a new concept infofar as the Management and Union relationship. It shows how the car body is assembled as a complete painted shell, then all the trim & interior is added. The complete drive line is on a robotic dolly, and comes up from below to mate with the finished body. As I recall it takes about 27 hours to build a CTS. By the end, this video makes you feel very proud to buy this new American product. I was lucky to get a copy of this video from my buddy and fellow CTS owner "DarkKnight". He found his original copy on ebay, but I've had no luck in locating an original copy. Anyone have any connections to get us all one? -Jer:>)
#3091 of 6595 Vision Magazine
May 22, 2003 (10:09 am)
I got my copy in the mail the other day too. Is this a new thing for Cadillac owners? If so, I congratulate Cadillac on deciding to print this. We bought our '91 Caddy new, but never saw this magazine before. There doesn't seem to be a Volume number and Issue number noted anywhere. Anyways, nice articles. This magazine is a keeper. -Jer:>)
#3092 of 6595 Someone keyed my CTS
May 22, 2003 (7:02 pm)
After 1000 miles, I noticed my first scratch- it was on the driver door, about 4 inches long. Then I noticed 4 more just like it on the front fender, the back door and the back fender. I felt sick.
I took it to the dealer and asked them to have their "ding/paint" specialist look at it while they replaced my radio for its high pitched hum on FM and took off the dash lens to clean it on the inside. Paint guy said he wouldn't touch it. The dealer then went to their affiliated Chevy body shop next door and they gave me a $1400 estimate to paint the whole driver side. I have the Red Garnet paint. It makes me sick to my stomach.
After 2 days and a new radio from GM, the radio still hums so they still have the car.
I want the car to look like new again. Am I dreaming? Where can I get the best result to try to match the paint? Are GM dealers the only place to go? Can Maaco do quality work? Money is not really the object. The car is brand new and I plan to have it for a long time.
Forlorn in Virginia.
May 22, 2003 (8:14 pm)
Ask them if you can see some of their handywork from their other customers firsthand, in bright light. As a GM dealership, ask them about the ability to match the original paint. And make sure they stand behind their work.
May 22, 2003 (8:26 pm)
You're looking for a shop that does good-quality production/insurance-type work.
Maaco typically is *not* it. The dealer's shop may be, but isn't necessarily. Nor does it have to be a "GM shop" - many if not most dealerships send their bodywork out to independents anyway and everyone gets the same color data. Check BMW and Audi message boards and see what recommendations you can get there. I've had my best results dealing with medium-sized independent shops.
Most shops make their livings off insurance jobs, but not all are created equal - some are MUCH better than others. Surface preparation, attention to detail, and VERY careful color matching are critical, and you want a shop that knows how to remove and reinstall trim and moldings and mirrors and etc. PROPERLY.
Are you putting in an insurance claim on this? Getting insurance companies to pay for properly removing/reinstalling trim moldings, etc. can be a PITA.
#3096 of 6595 color matching
May 23, 2003 (12:54 am)
Isn't color matching done by computer nowadays?
#3098 of 6595 wwhite2-license plate surround/j1205 paint
May 23, 2003 (5:41 am)
Still heard nothing from the dealer so I went to ask why the delay. Service advisor said that the problem with the surround was a manufacturing defect and GM has changed suppliers.
They looked at all CTSs on their lot and found 3 with the same problem. We've had a lot of cloudy days here with rain or showers on and off for over a week with more to come. The problem is quite noticeable now. The moisture really shows on the surround.
The advisor claims that GM knows about the problem and has known so some time that it was a supplier defect. The part is on back order until July. The part replacement cost is near $600.
The TSB that you referred to was for another leak problem and not just the surround moisture. No mention about sealant as a fix just a new part.
j1205 Sorry to hear about the scratches. I have a scratch on the front of the hood and asked about getting it fixed. They want $300 to paint the entire hood. They will not do just a scratch even though it is only about an inch long.
I'm not sure if the CTS vandals are running amuck but I just had an egg thrown at my car earlier this A.M. right on the parking pad. So it had to be someone walking by. The kids are still going to school and have about three weeks to go yet. Luckily I saw it and cleaned it off before damage was done to the paint. Mine is a black CTS.
May 23, 2003 (6:05 am)
You know, I would have been more than happy with Cadillac keeping the CTS-V up with the BMW M3, Audi S4 and C32 AMG for performance numbers. But 500 HP? Geeeeezzzz. If they are seriously looking at that for 2006, then what pray tell is in store for the STS and STS-V? Or the XLR-V? This could get pretty silly in terms of available power all around. If Cadillac continues down this trend, no one will be questioning their ability to reclaim a share of market leadership in the eyes of luxury car buyers.