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Cadillac CTS, Cadillac CTS-V, Sedan
#2973 of 6595 Welcome all new owners and for CJS2002
May 12, 2003 (7:26 pm)
Been awhile since I had a chance to post. Just wanted to say welcome to the newbies. Keep us posted on your experiences. No news from me just many more miles of happy cruising.
TO CJS2002- Comparisons are always tough and filled with personal psychology so just remember this... the 2003 CTS is the equivalent of the first year of Thunderbird or Corvette or any ground breaking model change from an established marque. You can see it in the design of the CTS-V and XLR. You can see it in what's it's doing for Cadillac and GM. So you can buy a piece of history... or some other car to drive a while and then trade in like any other car.
"Men are tormented with the opinions they have of things, not by the things themselves."
#2974 of 6595 clocks
May 12, 2003 (7:37 pm)
I think many of the regulars here (myself included) need to form some sort of Two Clock, No Temp Gauge support group.
I "solved" the out-of-sync problem with an "out of sight, out of mind" approach and (somewhat) remedied the one item that I miss by not having the luxury package --a compass:
The device sitting in front of the analog clock is a PNI compass (model V550, there are other models). It uses the same circuitry that powers the built-in compasses on GMs, Chryslers, etc. From the driver's seat, it completely blocks the analog clock and other than the "0" on the tach, it doesn't obscure any of the gauges or idiot lights. Here's a side view showing how it's mounted (suction cups attached to instrument cluster glass):
#2975 of 6595 CTS TC, NTG Support Group
May 12, 2003 (9:04 pm)
I like the idea of the Two Clock, No Temp Gauge (TC, NTG) Support Group. The problem is that most of us would never make it to the meetings on time if we used the CTS clocks.
Seriously, all the discussions about the clocks and temp gauge may be indicators of the overall satisfaction that most of us have with the rest of the car. Not many complaints about the quality or owner dissatisfaction among us. Seems most of us range from pretty happy to absolutely elated with what we bought. GM engineers and designers deserve a good deal of credit for what they created in the CTS along with the ribbing about clocks.
I also agree that I rather liked the idea of "buying a piece of history". I had that feeling when I bought mine. There also is the advantage that years from now when the 10th generation CTS is on the market, we 2003 CTS TC, NTG owners can tell the youngsters... "There I was... drivin' my CTS across west Texas in August with no temp gauge. Of course, I did have two clocks...."
#2976 of 6595 CTS wood application/willngayle
May 13, 2003 (12:11 am)
I think they could have used a bit more wood in the interior design, but not much more. I've only seen pictures of the aftermarket wood applications, and for my taste, it seems a bit overdone. It may in fact look better in person.
I would maybe go for a little more wood around the gear shift panel to offset the gear shift knob, but not much more. I have the black on black, and the look is solid, a cockpit type appearance, if you will. Especially at night.
If this application is of laminated materials, then it's totally out of the question. This would never hold up in extreme heat. I'm going for dual pipes (at a designated vogue shop)on Thursday, I'll ask if they have a finished product on hand. It's worth a least a look anyway.
Further, I think the aluminum accent in the 04 model adds a touch of class, as it doesn't have that ornate appearance seen in other models. The wood accent may still be an option on the 04, but a list of available options hasn't been posted yet to my knowledge.
May 13, 2003 (2:32 am)
now you have 2 compass rather than 2 clocks ?
#2978 of 6595 wwhite2-compass / wood trim
May 13, 2003 (5:50 am)
wwhite2, just one compass for me. I have the base model, so no integrated compass in the mirror (if I could have chosen optional equipment a la carte style, I would have gotten the mirror compass). My quasi-solution is only good for the base model crowd.
Someone mentioned it and I'll second the thought: wood on the steering is a negative in my book. Why would I want two textures on my steering wheel while I'm trying to make precise, split-second turns? I thought about asking the dealership if they'd replace the steering wheel with the all leather one, but I very quickly ruled out getting the Lux or LuxSport package so it was moot.
May 13, 2003 (7:52 am)
Maybe GM had found some clocks in a warehouse and needed to use them up.
If they are gone then, replace with a gauge!
Maybe after putting in the clocks, someone had second thoughts (ha, ha), and replaced them with a gauge.
Just wonder what is going to get all the extra unused clocks? Or back into the warehouse??
#2980 of 6595 CTS: A Part Of Automotive History
May 13, 2003 (11:43 am)
I really like the idea of the "Two Clocks - No Temp Gauge Support Group" suggested by cu95 and BatmanCTS. Where do we meet? Ha!
But like BatmanCTS says, it is a tribute to the designers of this great car that we are writing about fairly minor stuff. A lot more can be written about what is GOOD about this car.
As a vintage car collector for the past 38 years (since I was a teenager), I can tell you that part of my pride in owning this car is that it truely is a milestone automobile for both Cadillac and GM, not to mention Automotive Design in general. The CTS is the first Cadillac of the new "Art & Science" design philosophy. It's also the first new Cadillac for Cadillac's second Century of production. It's bold design puts it into the category of other dramatic Cadillacs like the '49 and '59 models. Both of those designs set the pace for many years after their introduction, and are very hot amongst collectors today. I think the 2003 CTS has a chance of being a very collectible car in the forseeable future. By the way, my buddy "Dark Knight" has a twin to my CTS and he's a vintage car nut like me. We both recognize a revolutionary design when we see it. And in this day and age, we are extremely proud to drive an American automobile of such high quality and bold design. It's an American icon in the making.
#2981 of 6595 ctsjerry........
May 13, 2003 (1:18 pm)
So, tell us...just how much is your monthly salary from Cadillac anyway??? LOLOLOL...just kidding.
I agree wholeheartedly that it's a real testimonial to the car that there is a lack of "serious" complaints. It seems to be mostly cosmetic stuff. (My wife, for instance, doesn't like the window washer spouts mounted out on the hood...she thinks it detracts from the looks..so do I to a degree). I've said before I'm not nuts about the grille but it is growing on me. (Still pushing for a billet grille...we'll see.) What I really like is that while mine is still new (just turned 700 miles), some of you have had yours for upwards of a year and still no major problems to speak of.
May 13, 2003 (1:28 pm)
rob35cts, you said you used $3540 in GM Card rebates. The GM Card website states that only $1000 can be used toward the CTS. Did you get some kind of special consideration?