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Re: Kia Rio MPG... [rioowner]
by lightfootfl
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Jul 24, 2008 (7:02 am)
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Replying to: rioowner (Jul 24, 2008 6:07 am)
re both 72 and 73
I understand what you are doing, I just can't understand the results, but it is worth a try, I too have more time than I need so I can figure these things out too.. but this is something that I have never run into before and don't see how it can be like that, however if it works, that is all that counts... I am 73yrs old, and have seen many different ideas that I didn't understand work, so I try not to discount anything any more. I live in the FL panhandle (Pensacola) and also don't put many miles on my vehicle. I do like the idea of getting better mileage though. Thank you for coming back to me with your explanations, and I guess I should have said odometer instead of speedometer. At least you understood my intent.
van
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- #75 of 95
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Re: Kia Rio MPG... [lightfootfl]
by rioowner
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Jul 24, 2008 (4:24 pm)
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Replying to: lightfootfl (Jul 24, 2008 7:02 am)
For those that don't understand, this is for you. I took a mechanic's class when I was much younger, and got the knowledge of rebuilding, maintaining, preventive maintenance, and such, on such engines as the 283 chevy, the 265 in GM cars, like the Rebel, which is a Rambler, remember them? And the 289 popular engine. Today, it is a different story. I have stopped at a Texaco for 75 cents worth of gasoline, and ran just about all night and then some in the next afternoon. We never learned it was bad to run the tank down. It wasn't all that bad. The fuel pump wasn't in the gas tank. Now it is, on nearly all vehicles. Running your tank close to empty supposedly will make your fuel pump work harder. The sloshing, especially when it holds only around two gallons of gas, and it isn't near as cool in there. The gasoline will keep the inside of tank cooler. The more gas, the cooler. A few degrees, not an enormous number of degrees. We used to think, the more air in the tank, the lighter the vehicle, thus, better mileage. But you have to think back, we really didn't care whether we got 20 mpg or 50 mpg. No one did. They just pull up at a station that was having a gas war and put a dollar or two in the tank. Afterall, we still had to stop for milk and eggs with what money we had. For under a dollar, we bought gas, a carton of eggs, a pack of cigs, and a soda pop. Yeah, times have changed so much, that now you have to know everything you possibly can about the vehicle you are driving. And gas mileage is at the top of the hill at the moment. It is on the top with politicians, pres candidates, and anyone wanting to change things around so they can get voted in. Anyway, off subject, you need to know the quirks of getting better mileage, the way to slow down, the way you know you can save a few bucks. I know I have rattled on, but I do that alot. I am on a fixed income, don't have as much money as the Bush's, the Obama's, McCains, so I have to worry about the oil prices. Those that have the high incomes don't really care that much, else they would not be driving the excursions, the hummers and such. When you have that much money, you rarely care about anything that might cost you an extra few bucks. But, us down here need to know how to save a penny here and there. If you have ever been there, you would care too. It is important to check the pump where you buy gas. Some are not so accurate. Run it to one gallon and see how much it costs. Is it the same as it states? A penny difference means nothing to you. For five gallons, that is five cents, X's the amount of customers for that day, X's 7 days. That could mean alot of cents to the owners of that station. No big deal for you, but all together are making this contribution to one person, and it adds up quick. In a month's time, we may be talking about an average of 35 dollars a month, figuring on 150 customers a day, and some stations have well over 1000 a day. Not that is some change. There are other ways to save. You shouldn't fill up between 3 and 6 pm due to the heat. You actually get less gas the hotter the day is. I fill up in the mornings, or late evenings. I get the actual amout that I am paying for. That is not always possible. Just something to think about. Always check your gas cap. If it is loose, you loose mileage. If you don't have a door on it that opens from the inside of the car, you may be fueling your neighbors car. The neck on the tank is so small now, hardly any hoses can get down there, but, never forget, for every honest person out there, they are three dishonest people working harder than you or I to find a way around locks, etc. So, it can be done. I still know alot about cars working parts, but tend to stay away from them all now due to everything has to be tested. All you people out there, try filling up more often and check your mileage, if you will and let me know. I have always bought American, the whole time I was brought up, but I tell you what, that is impossible today. Ford has fell asleep, GM has refused to make good mileage cars, and Toyucka has gone on and made what the population wanted. So, they buy theirs. So many are made here, but the insides are made in Mexico, Twaiwan, Korea, Germany, and on and on. So, it is almost impossible to buy an American vehicle, along with anything else you buy. Stoves, fridge, microwaves, crocks, you name it, it is not made here. We Americans are toooooooooooooooo good to make stuff like that. Let them Chinese do it. Yeah, and who has all the money and property now???
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- #76 of 95
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Rio Joke of the day
by rioowner
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Jul 30, 2008 (4:45 am)
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Do you know how to stop everyone from posting?
Write an essay on your experiences.
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- #77 of 95
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08 kia rio
by tod1viper
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Jul 30, 2008 (12:10 pm)
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I have noticed that when i drive on the highway out in west Texas that when my tank is full i can get over 100 miles on the first quarter of gas in the tank but after that i don't get any where as much but if i stop and put more gas in and fill it back up i can get over 100 miles in the first quarter again. no other quarter but the first unless i fill it back up get that much gas.
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- #78 of 95
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Re: 08 kia rio [tod1viper]
by caliberchic
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Jul 30, 2008 (12:23 pm)
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Replying to: tod1viper (Jul 30, 2008 12:10 pm)
What is being said is that if you fill up after only burning 100 or so miles of gas then you will average better MPG. Gotcha! Wish I had time to stop every 100 miles! 
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- #79 of 95
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Re: 08 kia rio [caliberchic]
by rioowner
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Jul 31, 2008 (4:09 am)
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Replying to: caliberchic (Jul 30, 2008 12:23 pm)
Have I been telling you people that for over two months now??? Am I just dreaming that I have posted that, that you get better mpg stopping more often??? Did anyone not hear me??? I don't mean to be rude, but if you just read my posts, you will see you get better mileage stopping more, rather than running the tank down, way down. If you don't have time to stop, then you are throwing a couple of dollars out the window every week. It takes less than five minutes to fill your tank, needing an average of three gallons or less. Use a card, no running to pay, returning to get your change, and you are on your way. Multiply that by four, it adds up. Come on people, this is the way to save. Buy a Rio and fill up after 100 miles.
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- #80 of 95
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Re: 08 kia rio [rioowner]
by lightfootfl
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Jul 31, 2008 (5:25 am)
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Replying to: rioowner (Jul 31, 2008 4:09 am)
In my trying to figure out this phenomenon of mileage greatness I think part of the "results" comes from the old adage about proving anything with math. First off, using your method where you clear "both computers" you end up with an error. Try resetting only one of them, per month or about 1000miles and then compare the results at the end of the month or whatever period you would decide upon. The actual total mileage "true miles" that is, divided by the gallons purchased will then show the difference in your results. Although your method appears to show extremely good mileages, I think you will find that your actual mpg is going to be less than you are now finding. If you are not comparing the actual total miles traveled, instead of what shows on your resetable meter, then you aren't showing the true MPG for your vehicle. I know you are getting good mpg, but don't think it is as good as you think it is.
my opinion only, van
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- #81 of 95
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Re: 08 kia rio [lightfootfl]
by rioowner
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Aug 01, 2008 (6:07 am)
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Replying to: lightfootfl (Jul 31, 2008 5:25 am)
So, in essence Van, the mileage numbers they set at the factory are only guesstimates? Not that you can really go by them? They are there just to show you a number you should get per gallon? The last couple of weeks it was brought to my attention to do just that, get the actual miles versus the trip ometer miles. I set one at zero, filled the tank, took that receipt and wrote the actual miles on it. While the "B" tripometer was set at zero also, I have been leaving it alone to compare it to the actual miles on the odometer. I have filled up seven times since, noting, comparing the two mileages. The "B" trip, and the odometer, and they are the same. Except for the tenths, of course. I am still getting better than 38.8 mpg when filling up, using an average of 2.9 gallons. The last time I filled up, the receipt is right here in front of me, I put 2.7 gallons of gasoline in the tank. I drove the car, according to the "A" tripometer 104.3 miles. I did my math, (calculations) and came up with 38.51 miles per gallon of gasoline. Am I doing this wrong??? Do I need to do this another way??? Is there something I am missing??? I am sorry I am getting this good of mileage, but you see, I don't care that I am getting better than the rest of you. My only purpose is not to stand on a soapbox and splatter out to the world how good my car gets on mileage, but to tell you what I find, and how I find it, and how to do it to save a few bucks at the station each time I fill up. My intentions are not bragging, they are uplifting, the way I see it. If you or any one of you will just do the thing I told you, then you may see a difference. I am happy I get what I get and nothing will change my way of thinking. Unless!!! You can tell me I am not doing the calculations correctly. My window sticker said "27 - 32" gasoline mileage when I bought the car. I took pictures of the cars on the lot that stated "44" mpg. They now say on tv, radio, newspapers, ads, magazines, etc. "41" mpg. Are they lying still??? Do they not know how to tell the truth??? Are they fabricating to sell cars??? If you haven't figured it out yet, I like to type, and type alot. I get my point across, but I still like to converse with the public. I am not here to argue, nor condemn anyone for their thoughts, or opinions. I am here explaining how I get good gasoline mileage by doing what I do. Final thought? As long as I keep doing what I am doing, I am going to get good gasoline mileage, and one more thing. I do NOT use EXXON gasoline. 11 billion dollar profit for the 2nd quarter. They said part goes to exploration, the rest in stock holders pockets. They said that, not me. 11 billion dollars for three or four months/can you imagine??? I suppose the rest of the companies are making profits close to that, but when is the American people going to stand up and say, "Enough is enough"? NEVER! Because we are too involved with our own lives and there is nothing we can do anyway. Gas out day? Didn't work. Have to be stupid to believe that. Don't buy exxon. Didn't work. People don't care enough to stick together. What about Shell??? They are just as rich taking what they can. You pay, or you stay your butt home. Simple. Our congress is so old fashioned it is pitiful. They have millions stock piled in their banks and they could care less what you or I think. Proven fact. We are the stools they put their feet on and that will never change. Unless we as a people stand up and vote every new person in, and make laws to change what needs to be changed, we are the footstools of every politician ever elected. Now, I need to go wash my face, as it is blood red from fury. Have a nice day. And don't forget to tell me if I am missing something in my calculations, or how to do it correctly. Forgive me if I stepped on anyones toes. I truly do not try to explore that field.
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- #82 of 95
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Re: 08 kia rio [rioowner]
by lightfootfl
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Aug 01, 2008 (6:35 am)
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Replying to: rioowner (Aug 01, 2008 6:07 am)
Hi again, re the dealers signs etc, yep, I think they lie.. the govt posting of EPA stuff is supposedly a guide for us. Some will do better, some worse. Obviously you are doing better. It seems that you have been able to do exceptional and I am happy for you. I have just been trying to duplicate those readings myself, and just haven't been able to do as well. But I am going to continue trying anyway. I have been analyzing all of the factors that affect my mileages, so I would get better results, also considering the "math" etc involved.
I too think the oil companies have been ripping us off, rather than helping us, but I don't see any answer from our "helpful" government. The manufacturers haven't been doing their job either in helping to get better mileages with the vehicle they produce, so that doesn't help us . Regarding the politicians, I think we need to throw the most of them out too.
Getting better mileages from all of our vehicles regardless is one of the most critical things we need to accomplish as a nation now. Otherwise prices on everything increases. We all need to try to do what we can to improve the mpg, even if it seems unusual, as long as we are safe... and reasonable about it.
Van
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- #83 of 95
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Re: 08 kia rio [lightfootfl]
by rioowner
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Aug 02, 2008 (2:42 am)
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Replying to: lightfootfl (Aug 01, 2008 6:35 am)
Hey Van, what exactly do you drive, year, model, etc.??? I didn't mean to carry on about politics and such, but it is true, the American people cannot do anything about the situation we are ALL in. My kind of toilet paper hasn't gone on sale in over two months now. And I buy the same everytime. It is usually a couple of dollars less than normal, so I stock up on it, but here recently, with the jump in prices on just about everything, I have to wait until it does go on sale, or just pay up. That example is just one of many, and the strangest I could think of. One thought I had, was all the stations that sell gasoline, all stations, not just a few here and there, but all stations across the country, turn their pumps on, leave them on, let whomever pump into their private vehicles as much as possible and leave. The stations owners would in turn not pay their gas bills. Drastic, huh??? Well, what is it going to take to get the gov's attention to what is being done to us??? I know that will never happen. I don't know where you are from, but we had bussing back in the 70's, early 80's and really still have it, but it has calmed down. But, the point is, people would not stick together then, and they won't stick together now. My child didn't get bussed, so I am sending him to school. My child does get bussed, so I am keeping him/her out of school. That is the way it is. If it doesn't burn your butt, you could care less. Oh, you care, just won't stick together to do anything about it. I am not talking about you or anyone in particular, just remembering what had gone on and was said. United We Stand, Divided We Fall. Ever hear of that one??? That is so true. Wait till the 14% get "In GOD we trust" off our money and out of our lives. Ever think this is the way to break America??? One gallon at a time. The third world countries could not love it more. We as the greatest nation of all time, borrowing from China, going broke by driving gasoline prices. I stopped at Kroger yesterday driving my grandson around and got gasoline. I got 2.6 gallons and drove 106.4 miles. I checked trip odometer, (is that one word) "B" and it was the same mileage as the odometer, actually, it had 476 miles on it, and subtracting the starting mileage on the odometer, it was the same as the trip odometer. I am watching it. I really don't see how it could be any different, as long as you keep good charts. If word got out about filling up every 100 miles, you might see a difference in the price of gas. It went down three days ago, now back up. It is 3.73 here and you can watch it across the country if people spot and dot down on line what the price is at several stations. It is gas watch on line. GPW. Gas price watch is what it is. Go there, put in your zip and small it down to the fifth mark and it may show station prices. Go to any state and see what Arizona is paying, New York, etc. What a difference. It is .28 cents cheaper per gallon 91 miles to the south of me. Louisville is ripping off people as we speak. Outside of Louisville it is always cheaper, as much as .30. And that is just the companies doing that, not the oil companies. That oil company is fueling this station for 3.25 and that station for 3.25 and they both sell completely different prices when it goes into your tank. And that is not gouging??? Anyway, good luck on filling up sooner, and let me know what you are driving. It may be I have a new vehicle and you don't. My driving habits may be different, but it shouldn't make that big a deal. I'll talk to ya's.
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