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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#15899 of 16985 Re: BMW 328i vs. 328i xdrive vs... Acura TL04 [sweendogy]
by Kirstie@Edmunds HOST
Apr 08, 2013 (5:50 am)
Lets make this forum productive- more fact less smack.
I fear that this forum would die of shock if we started introducing fact at this point.
#15900 of 16985 Re: C-Class, G37 and ATS [leoblue]
Apr 08, 2013 (7:04 am)
A very nice and detailed report by leoblue.
#15901 of 16985 Re: C-Class, G37 and ATS [leoblue]
Apr 08, 2013 (8:59 am)
Great write up & a fantastic choice. We've all got our preferences, but you can't go wrong in this class. Please feel free to stick around & post your ownership & driving impressions!
#15902 of 16985 2013 Lexus ES350, InfinitiG37, BMW 328,i, BMW 335i
Apr 08, 2013 (8:03 pm)
So I am in the market for entry level luxury. I have narrowed my choices to Lexus ES350, InfinitiG37, BMW 328,i, BMW 335i. Anyone has any +ve/-ve about any of these? I am leaning towards ES350, but at this point still open.
#15903 of 16985 Re: 2013 Lexus ES350, InfinitiG37, BMW 328,i, BMW 335i [ilexusbuyer]
Apr 08, 2013 (8:13 pm)
I am leaning towards ES350. . .
If you've driven all four of these cars and still prefer the Lexus, then you are their target demographic. Go for it.
#15904 of 16985 Re: 2013 Lexus ES350, InfinitiG37, BMW 328,i, BMW 335i [ilexusbuyer]
Apr 08, 2013 (8:15 pm)
all fine cars, in their own way, but quite a bit different from each other. so the answer really depends on what is important to you. Based on these choices, the fact that you are leaning toward the ES says to me that you desire quite comfy luxury, not sporty. If so, fine choice!
in this group, I will say that driving them all is key.
#15905 of 16985 Re: 2013 Lexus ES350, InfinitiG37, BMW 328,i, BMW 335i [stickguy]
Apr 09, 2013 (5:21 am)
lexusbuyer...based solely on your user name, I'd say your mind is alreayd made up?
Gotta agree with stickguy here. All are fine cars. But, if you are looking for that isolated feel of an ES350, you'll probably be disappointed in the others you're looking at. Nothing wrong with that. It's all personal preference.
I think the ES was either new for this year, or last year at the earliest.
What are your priorities in what your looking for? Those might help with your decision making. And, it might help us understand which way to steer you.
#15906 of 16985 Re: 2013 Lexus ES350, InfinitiG37, BMW 328,i, BMW 335i [ilexusbuyer]
Apr 09, 2013 (6:00 am)
Lexus ES is front wheel drive, whereas the other three are RWD-based, or AWD if you choose such. That makes a big difference in handling on ramps and corners. Lexus is Camry-based, but I would not say it's just a Camry, because that's not really fair. However, it will definitely share some characteristics with its common sister.
If you are interested in feel of luxury at a great price, quite and smooth ride, especially on long trips, don't really care (or can't even understand what we are talking about) about handling, ES is absolutely perfect. I'm not mocking you or anybody else who doesn't care about handling. I know a lot of people like that and I don't think of them any less. They sit in Crown Vic or Taurus and don't miss what I would, makes them happier and that's fine. They're happy with engine pull. Again - not mocking anyone, just stating the fact.
ES350 will have all luxuries (and possibly more) that you want and money still in the wallet left, great corporate reliability, plenty of clever stuff inside. I was impressed when I saw some features in my coworker' s. It's a fine car, just not for me. I like sharper steering (new BMW is already too dull for me, I like the previous models more) that RWD or AWD can offer, don't mind to pay for it with bit more road noise. I like manual transmissions, if I can have one, I'd gladly pay for it. Some ATs are really good, too, I just take MT as long as I can - just me. I can't say much about G37, other than it was developed to chase 335 buyer with lower price point or 328 buyer with same/similar price point but better performance. It is a bit "old tech" today, but it may be a good thing. BMW and MB need to improve gas mileage, so they go with these 4-cylinder turbos, G37 stays true to high output naturally aspirated V6 that is not very frugal, but is a rocket. They can afford it, as I believe, their mpg is averaged with parent Nissan (I don't know for sure, but why else wouldn't they come with similar engines already?). I would call it most "old school ELLPS" of the bunch.
If I needed one today and could afford it, 335 is best FOR ME, but I have no problem with somebody saying ES350 is better FOR THEM. I can even see why and acknowledge those as valid reasons. Bottom line - it's trully matter of priorities.
#15907 of 16985 Re: 2013 Lexus ES350, InfinitiG37, BMW 328,i, BMW 335i [dino001]
Apr 09, 2013 (6:45 am)
Thank you cdnpinhead, stickguy, graphicguy, dino001 for your input.
So far have only driven lexus, so I still need to drive others to see what I like personally. What I wanted to get here was experiences from others.
My Priorities :
- smooth and quiet driving
- least maintenance cost
- good mpg
- roomy (would like the back seat as wide as possible for 3 to fit comfortable. Have two car seat and still have the middle person have enough room).
- I really do not know more about handling besides the smooth and quiet I mentioned above.
- value for money
- long term (like go 200K or more without issues)
- brand name
Any other car that fits the criteria above besides the one I have listed?
#15908 of 16985 Re: 2013 Lexus ES350, InfinitiG37, BMW 328,i, BMW 335i [ilexusbuyer]
Apr 09, 2013 (7:27 am)
Looks like a Lexus fits your bill.
Maintenance costs are going to be a bit high. Have a neighbor who has two "Lexi". He is contstantly complaining about how high maintenance is, even for routine maintenance. Then again, someone has to pay for those oppulent showrooms.
Any of these vehicles will go for 200K miles. As you're aware, strict maitenance is key, however.
Value for money....hmmmm....looking at that and low maintenance desires, smooth ride, big back seat, have you looked at one of Hyundai's premium cars? The Equs or Genesis? They have great warranties. My son had an Elantra and it was uber cheap to maintain. And, it lasted him a good long while.