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#15837 of 16984 Re: Used vs. New [michaell]
Mar 28, 2013 (9:12 am)
Yeah, Florida too. Diesel almost never falls below regular, most of the time it stays either above or just below premium gasoline per gallon, probably more often above by 10-20 cents. It is not available at my Costco station, where I fuel every week (i.e. the effective differential is even higher, as Costco charges less than say Shell or BP). Considering diesel engines cost more and need more maintenance, the mpg differential needs to be really substantial to offset the fact that I don't like how it drives vs. nice smooth gas engine. At least 20% better mpg number before I even give it a time of my day.
#15838 of 16984 Re: Used vs. New [dino001]
Mar 28, 2013 (9:31 am)
At least 20% better mpg number before I even give it a time of my day.
I also suppose it depends on the type of driving you do and what you use your car for.
My wife has been getting about 22MPG on the last few tanks now that she's been in her new job for 3 1/2 weeks. This is a 2010 Mazda CX-7 that requires premium. She likes the security of AWD here in Colorado and the hatchback capacity since she is now toting about a lot of materials for the job.
About the closest diesel equivalent would be the Jetta SWG - but it doesn't offer AWD. A small or mid-sized SUV with a diesel and high 20's combined fuel economy would be just about right. 20% above 22 is 26 MPG.
#15839 of 16984 Re: Used vs. New [robr2]
Mar 28, 2013 (11:18 am)
Diesel in NY and CT are always higher than 93 Octane by at least $.15/ gallon
#15840 of 16984 Re: Used vs. New
Mar 28, 2013 (2:40 pm)
I fail to see the logic, though.
My local Shell has Premium at $3.95. Diesel is $4.15. It's hard to justify the extra for diesel fuel.
12,000 miles/25mpg = 480 gallons of fuel. X 3.95 = $1896
12,000 miles/30mpg = 400 gallons of fuel. X 4.15 = $1660
That Diesel is more expensive is an illusion. The reality is it's less expensive over time.
#15841 of 16984 Re: Used vs. New [plekto]
Mar 28, 2013 (5:41 pm)
But the upfront $3,000 premium would require almost 13 years to break even.
#15842 of 16984 Re: Used vs. New [robr2]
Mar 28, 2013 (5:43 pm)
NYcarguy made a good point about this. You are paying more for a better engine upgrade. Not that much different on the BMW than paying to go from a 328 to a 335 or a 6 to an 8 on a 5 series.
#15843 of 16984 Re: Used vs. New [stickguy]
Mar 28, 2013 (5:45 pm)
You are paying more for a better engine upgrade. Not that much different on the BMW than paying to go from a 328 to a 335 or a 6 to an 8 on a 5 series.
But IIRC, there may be some other upgrades as well. Does upgrading to the diesel give you anything else?
#15844 of 16984 Re: Used vs. New [stickguy]
Mar 28, 2013 (6:28 pm)
Only if you consider diesel a better engine. Gas mileage is just one part. To me diesel is not a better engine for a sports sedan overall. Minivan, SUV, pickup truck, yes. Small sedan, sports sedan, convertible, coupe, no. Just an opinion, of course.
On price point, $3000 price difference can be partially recouped at resale, so it may not need 13 years to pay it off. However, as I just stated, I consider diesel an inferior choice in terms of driving experience, thus it is not sufficient for me to just break even with gas. To put it simple, to even consider diesel, it would need to pay itself vs. gas in just two-three years, so after five or six I could really say it was cheaper.
#15845 of 16984 Re: Used vs. New [dino001]
Mar 28, 2013 (9:27 pm)
You beat me to it. Diesels, especially if they somehow have a manual transmission, are absurdly high on resale value compared to their gas cousins.
Case in point. I can't literally buy a working/reliable Mercedes 240 Diesel with manual for under $4K. Almost 40 years old and it's still hard as hell to find a good condition one as nobody wants to sell theirs. Recent VW TDIs are also incredibly hard to find used as people just don't sell them unless they are literally falling to pieces.
#15846 of 16984 Re: Used vs. New [dino001]
Mar 29, 2013 (2:33 am)
I'll give you the sports sedan engine, as well as sports car, but not the every day sedans, the way the majority of people drive them they wouldn't even notice the diesel engine, except for some very slight noise dig fence, in fact most would prefer the low down torque of the diesel. Even in the ports sedans, in Europe they claim the best 3 series is the 320 d with the six speed manual ( I may not agree either BTW, just stating the Euro Mag's opinion).
Also so far at least part of that $3000 is extra equipment as the diesels here tend to be a higher trim level than the base car, the manufactures are not offering base level trim with the diesels ( they are doing the same so far with most hybrids as well). I think this will start changing and we will see what the true cost of the diesel option is ( though reall with direct injection, turbo gas engines seemingly becoming the norm there is not much extra on a diesel anymore beside the particle filters, and there is talk of them be required on the gas engines soon too). Also someone said that diesels require more maintenance, I am wondering where that cames from?