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#15701 of 16087 Re: Acura TL [flightnurse] by m6user

Feb 21, 2013 (3:18 pm)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 21, 2013 1:30 pm)
It's not the "typical Camry LE buyer" that I believe is looking at an ES. It the absolutely loaded Camry V6 XLE buyer that is looking at the almost $34k MSRP. They think maybe they can get in a base ES for similar money but they would have to give up some bells and whistles like NAV, JBL etc. The base ES is $36995. So there is only a $3k difference. I don't imagine a lot of people do it but I know there are some as eveidenced just by the people that have commented here. And $20k difference is quite an exaggeration....it's $13500 diffence between the LE and the ES.
 
They may say to themseves..."gee, for $3 grand I can have a Lexus with a longer warranty and nicer dealership experience and a little more luxury feel." That could be tempting if they can swing it. Oh, but they'll have to buy a $100 Garmin though.

#15702 of 16087 Re: CTS Lease [plekto] by richw5

Feb 21, 2013 (5:14 pm)

Replying to: plekto (Feb 20, 2013 8:38 pm)
The engineer involved with the algorithm of the Oil Life Indicator was a poster on the Caddy Info site back around 2002 - 2003. He stated that the Oil Life Indicator has a built in protection factor for the engine once you hit 0% oil life. I change my oil at about 10% oil life left and my CTS has been running great for almost 11 years.

#15703 of 16087 Re: CTS Lease [richw5] by plekto

Feb 21, 2013 (5:41 pm)

Replying to: richw5 (Feb 21, 2013 5:14 pm)
You must be lucky, then, because many many people have had their engines dump their oil into their cat via blown gaskets by waiting until it reads 0. In fact, the official advice (NOW) from the GM dealership mechanics nationwide is to change synthetic oil at 6K miles.
 
Yes, there are class action lawsuits pending as well. GM's solution was to reprogram the oil life sensor to be more sensitive, but it really doesn't solve the issue which is that synthetic oil is only good for twice what conventional oil is.
 
metal3883, "Cadillac CTS Engine Problems" #604, 11 Dec 2012 5:17 pm
32 pages long and growing. Oil is so darn cheap versus a new engine that it pays to be cautious especially when it appears that we're being used as Guinea Pigs by GM for using synthetic oils in the new engines.

#15704 of 16087 Re: Acura TL [flightnurse] by sweendogy

Feb 21, 2013 (6:34 pm)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 21, 2013 1:30 pm)
Interesting that you would go with the Camry LE as a example- and not the closer top end model that we have been talking about all along- a mainstream car at a price level that would make you think about a jump up- or a lux car like the tsx that would make you look at a accord touring (which is a shade less then tsx tech) and has more features.
 
Like the use of 20k - nice but a fail.
 
Anyone seen "hat backwards" guy, could be on a road trip in GFs S.

#15705 of 16087 Re: Acura TL [sweendogy] by billyperksii

Feb 22, 2013 (8:11 am)

Replying to: sweendogy (Feb 21, 2013 6:34 pm)
Anyone seen "hat backwards" guy, could be on a road trip in GFs S.
I think he is on these boards everyday.

#15706 of 16087 Re: Acura TL [billyperksii] by sweendogy

Feb 22, 2013 (9:08 am)

Replying to: billyperksii (Feb 22, 2013 8:11 am)
Haven't seen him, love that cat

#15707 of 16087 Re: Acura TL [sweendogy] by flightnurse

Feb 26, 2013 (11:29 pm)

Replying to: sweendogy (Feb 21, 2013 6:34 pm)
If we are talking main stream cars, then the LE is the model to talk about, since the LE outsells any other Camry. Yes, if someone was looking at a top of the line XLE camry then the next jump would be the Avalon and think the base price of the base Avalon is $1K less then a fully loaded XLE. The ES base price is higher then a fully loaded XLE. Lexus err Toyota has done a great marketing job on Lexus, people are willing to pay more for the lexus name. BTW, a fully loaded ES is more than a fully loaded Avalon.

#15708 of 16087 Re: Acura TL [flightnurse] by sweendogy

Feb 27, 2013 (5:38 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 26, 2013 11:29 pm)
The point of the agreement as I stated before was price - not specific Toyota model sells the best- I think you know this- if a person is looking at 22k car ofcourse they are not going to step up. - it's also not Lexus specific to Toyota - as stated before.

#15709 of 16087 BMW F30 328xi Sport Line by nyccarguy

Feb 27, 2013 (6:55 am)

While gassing up my 328xi last night, a guy pulls up behind me in an F30 328xi Sport Line. He noticed me checking out his car & I asked him how he liked it. He told me the car was "nice," but "way too soft." He liked the way his old 330Ci coupe drove much better.

#15710 of 16087 Re: Acura TL [flightnurse] by m6user

Feb 27, 2013 (11:09 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 26, 2013 11:29 pm)
BTW, a fully loaded ES is more than a fully loaded Avalon.
 
Wow, what a revelation! A loaded luxury car is more than a loaded non-luxury car. Who would have thought? Gee, I bet a loaded Panamerica is more than a loaded Passat too. Isn't that something.
 
I would rather admit I'm wrong than clutch at straws to try to make myself look better. Camry LE because it's the biggest seller? Wasn't even remotely close to what we were talking about. We were talking about cross shopping the loaded mainstream against base luxury because of the closeness in price. A Camry LE is not a loaded Camry.
 
Bringing in the Avalon actually makes my point even more. A loaded Avalon Limited is almost $4000 more than a base ES. The ES is now based on the Avalon(not the Camry) so it's the same size, drivetrain etc. That is why I said that a lot of people that were looking at loaded mainstream vehicles may crossshop the lower end of the luxury makes. Because they are so close in price and capability.

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