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#15641 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [graphicguy] by flightnurse

Feb 12, 2013 (8:46 am)

Replying to: graphicguy (Feb 12, 2013 5:38 am)
Graphic, I believe the CLA will get the AMG treatment, which will give it some performance. I agree that the CLA will bring a whole new type of customer to MB, just like GT-R brought a whole different buyer to the Nissan Dealer. Lots of changes happening and it will be interesting to see how the dealers will change.

#15642 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [graphicguy] by stickguy

Feb 12, 2013 (10:49 am)

Replying to: graphicguy (Feb 12, 2013 5:38 am)
the real question though is if the CLA will be grounded to the ground.

#15643 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [stickguy] by graphicguy

Feb 12, 2013 (2:16 pm)

Replying to: stickguy (Feb 12, 2013 10:49 am)
the real question though is if the CLA will be grounded to the ground.
 
Love it....made me grin, stickguy.
 
FN...Be real interesting to see how the CLA dealers handle the onslaught of the "hat backwards" crowd.
 
I saw one of the funniest sights I can reacall in quite some time. Saw an older Altima last night with what looked to be cheapo LCDs haphazardly strewn in the headlight casing. I let him get in front of me, and sure enough, he had LCDs in each headrest, playing some video, but no one was in the back seat to see it.
 
That always makes me chuckle.

#15644 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [graphicguy] by sweendogy

Feb 12, 2013 (3:54 pm)

Replying to: graphicguy (Feb 12, 2013 2:16 pm)
"hat backwards crowd?" - how they are handled by the dealers...throw in the Altima story and we have a red flag.
 
I think they will do just fine "accepting" this crowd. Do all German cars some with a snob option or is that extra- like the premium paint?

#15645 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [graphicguy] by flightnurse

Feb 12, 2013 (4:44 pm)

Replying to: graphicguy (Feb 12, 2013 2:16 pm)
I saw one of the funniest sights I can reacall in quite some time. Saw an older Altima last night with what looked to be cheapo LCDs haphazardly strewn in the headlight casing. I let him get in front of me, and sure enough, he had LCDs in each headrest, playing some video, but no one was in the back seat to see it.
 
Was the car plated from Jersey?
 
I believe the "turn around hat" crowd already shops at the german auto makers, in SoCal, many of the younger drivers are already driving newer german cars. I don't think it is much of a difference who goes into the dealerships, stereotyping will get one in trouble and no one wants to lose a sale,.

#15646 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [flightnurse] by m6user

Feb 12, 2013 (6:02 pm)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 12, 2013 12:37 am)
Sorry, but just because a car has leather, some bells and whistles and MSRPs at the very low end of the ELLPS price range does not put it in a luxury category nor does it put it in a performance category. I don't believe anybody that buys a Fusion, Camry, Accord or Passat with a V6 and leather believe they are bying a luxury car just because the price overlaps the bottom of the ELLPS. They just know they are getting all the NAV, big sound, leather etc and realize if they wanted all that in a real luxury car they would be paying north of $40k, not north of $30k. +

#15647 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [m6user] by flightnurse

Feb 13, 2013 (9:40 am)

Replying to: m6user (Feb 12, 2013 6:02 pm)
So what is the "official" definition that _we_ must follow M6 of what is a ELLPS? Are you the grand Car Czar to tell us what models are and are not ELLPS? Or are the manufactures the one who do it?

#15648 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [flightnurse] by m6user

Feb 13, 2013 (10:13 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 13, 2013 9:40 am)
No need to get your shorts in a twist. I absolutely am not saying I make the decisions. I kind of think the list at the top of this page does a decent job based on real data which I believe is based on consumer feedback and NOT on someones arbitrary opinion. I'm just saying that non-luxury makes don't pretend to be luxury so why should we put them in that category just because the top of line in their bread and butter cars cross slightly over into the absloute bottom of the ELLPS prices. Toyota makes the Lexus and calls it their luxury car and provides the warranty, service, dealership experience to go along with it. They don't market the Camry as luxury....they market it as value.
 
If you can't tell a Camry from a luxury, performance sedan just by sight, feel and drive than you really should buy the Camry and save some money as you will not appreciate the difference.

#15649 of 16087 ATS Sighting> by andys120

Feb 13, 2013 (5:54 pm)

I saw my first Caddy ATS (outside of an Auto Show). IMO it's the best looking car they make. This one was Metallic Pearl White (a color that does not favor most cars).

#15650 of 16087 Re: ATS Sighting> [andys120] by sweendogy

Feb 13, 2013 (7:13 pm)

Replying to: andys120 (Feb 13, 2013 5:54 pm)
Pretty cool from the pix I've seen I like as well with big wheels- also think (and seen) the largest caddy, forgot the name- is a looker as well.
 
Flight I did not say its the quickest to 60, said I liked the looks - so you can correctly quote that.

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