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#15621 of 16087 Re: b8 S4 vs G37x vs GS350 vs random [bunit23] by andys120

Feb 07, 2013 (8:15 am)

Replying to: bunit23 (Feb 06, 2013 4:19 pm)

I know AWD isn't necessary in Texas, but I think it will be fun.
 
I've had AWD, FWD and RWD and IMO most of the fun to be had with AWD is when driving in snow. For dry weather fun nothing beats a good RWD car.

#15622 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [dino001] by flightnurse

Feb 07, 2013 (8:50 am)

Replying to: dino001 (Feb 06, 2013 3:20 pm)
Dino I think we are getting away from the original post that you stated, to something about not being able to find a base model on the lot. The price of $37,055 is really a base model with one thing added which is a aftermarket nav system, that integrates with the radio, just like the OEM nav system. It's a pretty slick system, so with the base price + shipping the car is $36,255, then add the nav system $800, this is how you get the $37,055 price. So it is possible to get a base C250, and the dealer I posted has many of them.

#15623 of 16087 Re: b8 S4 vs G37x vs GS350 vs random [bunit23] by flightnurse

Feb 07, 2013 (8:51 am)

Replying to: bunit23 (Feb 06, 2013 4:19 pm)
I know AWD isn't necessary in Texas, but I think it will be fun.
 
How will it be fun?

#15624 of 16087 Re: b8 S4 vs G37x vs GS350 vs random [andys120] by flightnurse

Feb 07, 2013 (8:56 am)

Replying to: andys120 (Feb 07, 2013 8:15 am)
I've had AWD, FWD and RWD and IMO most of the fun to be had with AWD is when driving in snow. For dry weather fun nothing beats a good RWD car.
 
Yeah, but it doesn't snow in San Antonio...

#15625 of 16087 Re: b8 S4 vs G37x vs GS350 vs random [graphicguy] by dino001

Feb 07, 2013 (9:21 am)

Replying to: graphicguy (Feb 07, 2013 7:59 am)
I'm an options fool, too. I don't buy those over the top stuff (like adaptive cruise control or lane departure thing) unless it is part of a discounted package. I am complete agnostic of wheels (never really understood why people care so much) and often would even prefer smaller rims, as they gove you more comfort, plus those really low profile tires look just stupid, IMHO. However, I want most items related to convenience, safety and sports suspension. I would not touch 3-series without their sports seat (their std. seats are terrible), I a fool for xenons and trully like the swiveling aspect of them. I'm a fool for a sunroof, fortunately it was standard on my wagon (and bigger, too). Parking sensors, keyless entry/start - yes please, especially that it was offered in one big package with two or three other things. Navigation - first I didn't want it, then they dropped the price by about $600 (they actually dropped the price of premium package, when it was combined with nav), so I took it. I like the screen, I like the routing, I despise the POI search (totally subpar in comparison to Garmin). Voice control came with it, doesn't work very well, especially in addresses (1 out of 5).
 
I don't need all the appearance stuff, but I appreciate them. I opted out of M-package, but there are times I look back and second guess it. I saw a M-pack 328 wagon same color and year on a picture and it looked even better than mine. Don't know if it was 2 grand better, but it was better.
 
Yeah, I'm a fool.

#15626 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [flightnurse] by dino001

Feb 07, 2013 (9:38 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 07, 2013 8:50 am)
Dino I think we are getting away from the original post that you stated, to something about not being able to find a base model on the lot
 
I did not say that at all, or to be precise, don't have recollection of that being my intention. My original post was in reference to leather vs. MBTex. I believed you stated you can have a leather C250 for $37K, quoting some Phoenix dealer and I responded that it was impossible cause you can't have leather without crossing 40 grand. We must have misunderstood each other.

#15627 of 16087 Re: b8 S4 vs G37x vs GS350 vs random [flightnurse] by dino001

Feb 07, 2013 (9:37 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 07, 2013 8:51 am)
I had '03 WRX and later '08 STI. I live in Florida, similar to Tx. I loved them. The fun is on ramps, tight corners. The neutral feel in the middle of the turn and "forgiving" nature is unbeatable. The 03 WRX didn't have traction control, but I never needed it, even in big rain, even when tires got a bit worned out. It gave me plenty of warning and self correction just by easing on throttle. I have a RWD 328 now. I love it, too. It is different, but it is not as neutral, especially on corner entries. I love to hit the throttle half way through the turn, but it is classic "slow in/fast out" scheme. AWD gives you ability to come in too fast and still correct in the middle, keep the control and come out of the turn in decent terms.

#15628 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [dino001] by flightnurse

Feb 07, 2013 (10:39 pm)

Replying to: dino001 (Feb 07, 2013 9:38 am)
You are correct and I'm sorry, it was Billperksii who wrote that no one would find a base car on the lot..

#15629 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [dino001] by flightnurse

Feb 07, 2013 (10:41 pm)

Replying to: dino001 (Feb 07, 2013 9:38 am)
I also assumed it was the "internet" price too which it wasn't it is a base care with an aftermarket Nav system that was designed for C230 and other MB for 2013.

#15630 of 16087 Re: Another ELLPS enters the ring.... [flightnurse] by dino001

Feb 08, 2013 (6:02 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Feb 07, 2013 10:39 pm)
Understood. If anything, I see the similar trend in stock of my local dealership. Vast majority of C250s they have there are low-option level between 37 and 40 grand MSRP. Moreover, there is very little stock of C300 or C350 lines. If you are an options fool (like I am), you would actually have a hard time to find C250 with the goodies. Very few cars with leather (MBTex seems to rule there), sports pack, some have premium pack, but unlike BMW, Benz charges for leather on top of premium pack.
 
I woulnd't buy one anyway, but it is interesting to see what dealers think sells. It appears to me that BMW dealers tend to have better variety of options (from strippers to fully optioned), perhaps not at all times, but it is easier to find content level (and price) closer to anyone's preference (except for manual transmissions - those were non-existent in Tampa Bay last time I checked), which means they anticipate customers for every level of content, whereas Benz dealers seem to think people want the the star on the hood, but don't really care for the extras. But as I wrote in the past, there are some particular practices on both lots that are beyond me (like those fold-down seats on 3-series sedans, available as stand alone or part of cold weather pack and since Florida cars don't need cold pack, almost none of the ordered sedans get fold-down seats ).

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