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#15297 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [andys120] by alltorque

Dec 02, 2012 (10:08 am)

Replying to: andys120 (Dec 02, 2012 8:12 am)
Skoda Octavia vRS TSI is worth a look - or would be if VW Group would sell it in your part of the known universe.
 
Review attached for the gasser 5-door Hatch. It also comes in Estate form and both body styles are also available with 2.0 TDi, of course. It's fun, chuckable and very roomy. Too big ? Search for the Skoda Fabia vRS - 170bhp of 1.4 ltr gasser fun in a 5-door hatch body.
 
Skoda Octavia vRS TSI

#15298 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [alltorque] by andys120

Dec 02, 2012 (11:26 am)

Replying to: alltorque (Dec 02, 2012 10:08 am)

Skoda Octavia vRS TSI is worth a look - or would be if VW Group would sell it in your part of the known universe
 
They do not sell it here of course, nor are they likely to, but my real problem with it is my belief that any real sport sedan has to have RWD. AWD might be acceptable if it mimics the dynamics of a RWD car but I have no interest in any FWD car larger than a Golf.

#15299 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [andys120] by fedlawman

Dec 02, 2012 (7:27 pm)

Replying to: andys120 (Dec 02, 2012 8:12 am)
There is the Miata, BR-Z, RX-8, Boxster/Cayman, and Elise/Exige.
 
But i agree, new cars dont compare in dynamics and feel to older cars. But its complicated. Older cars give more feel and feedback and are more fun and rewarding to drive, but this is partly because they have less rigid bodies and lower handling limits.
 
Different driving experience. For 99% of drivers, new cars are faster and safer.

#15300 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [fedlawman] by stickguy

Dec 02, 2012 (7:42 pm)

Replying to: fedlawman (Dec 02, 2012 7:27 pm)
man, I would love to see a variant on the BRZ that was more practical. Stretch it a little and have a wagon style body.

#15301 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [stickguy] by fedlawman

Dec 02, 2012 (10:47 pm)

Replying to: stickguy (Dec 02, 2012 7:42 pm)
The WRX is a good choice there.
 
The TSX Wagon with a 6-speed manual would be cool too...

#15302 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [fedlawman] by nyccarguy

Dec 03, 2012 (7:24 am)

Replying to: fedlawman (Dec 02, 2012 10:47 pm)
TSX Wagon is 5 Speed auto only.
 
Speaking of the next WRX, when is that coming out? Subaru is still selling the previous body style 1 year into the new body style Impreza.

#15303 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [fedlawman] by andys120

Dec 03, 2012 (7:49 am)

Replying to: fedlawman (Dec 02, 2012 7:27 pm)
There is the Miata, BR-Z, RX-8, Boxster/Cayman, and Elise/Exige.
 
Oh, I will acquire a Boxster eventually but none of those are performance sedans.

#15304 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [nyccarguy] by dino001

Dec 03, 2012 (7:57 am)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Dec 03, 2012 7:24 am)
My understanding is there are no plans to make WRX from current new Impreza body, so who knows when new WRX comes. Lots of different rumours, nothing of substance.

#15305 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [andys120] by fedlawman

Dec 03, 2012 (8:42 am)

Replying to: andys120 (Dec 03, 2012 7:49 am)
When you own a boxster, you wont need a "performance sedan."

#15306 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [fedlawman] by habitat1

Dec 03, 2012 (9:23 am)

Replying to: fedlawman (Dec 03, 2012 8:42 am)
When you own a boxster, you wont need a "performance sedan."
 
That's what I am trying to convince myself of in contemplating placing an order on a new Cayman S. i.e. That if I get it, my 2004 Acura TL 6-speed will be good enough for another 5 years. Otherwise, I might end up with a 2013 M3 at near giveaway prices.
 
I will say that when I had my 911, my Acura TL was more enjoyable to drive then. I didn't feel like it needed to go beyond it's capabilities to be satisfying. It's a damn nice, economical to own, sporty sedan; if not an all out "performance sedan". And I could let the guy next to me in his 550i rev his engine without feeling inferior - knowing that I had a car in the garage that could run circles around it. Now the only other gas powered things in my garage are a lawnmower, leaf blower and chainsaw. Although I have to admit, the chainsaw fills a bit of my need to be manly, at a considerably lower cost than the 911 did.
 
So if you need to save up for a Boxster, maybe get a chainsaw in the interim? I recommend the Husquevana Rancher 460.

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