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#15291 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [flightnurse] by robr2

Nov 29, 2012 (9:25 pm)

Replying to: flightnurse (Nov 29, 2012 4:50 pm)
Interesting since Fiat owns Alfa, and Fiat wants to make a big push here in the US, I'm we are going to see some of those Italian sedan state side. I had a friend who had a GTV-6 great car...
 
Alfa has been threatening to return to North America for about 5 years now. They keep pushing the date back.

#15292 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [robr2] by andys120

Nov 30, 2012 (11:06 am)

Replying to: robr2 (Nov 29, 2012 9:25 pm)
Alfa has been threatening to return to North America for about 5 years now. They keep pushing the date back.
 
Perhaps that's because they realize that most of their current products do not live up to the standards set by the Alfas we recall so fondly. In that case it's best that they do right rather than right away.

#15293 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [robr2] by qbrozen

Nov 30, 2012 (2:33 pm)

Replying to: robr2 (Nov 29, 2012 9:25 pm)
Alfa has been threatening to return to North America for about 5 years now. They keep pushing the date back.
 
oh, its been going on much longer than that. I definitely remember reading about their return back in 2000.

#15294 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [qbrozen] by sweendogy

Nov 30, 2012 (3:53 pm)

Replying to: qbrozen (Nov 30, 2012 2:33 pm)
Alfas already here boys - go to the dodge dealer and ask to see /Alfa_Romeo_Giulietta_- or as we know it here the new dart. Enjoy

#15295 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [andys120] by fedlawman

Dec 01, 2012 (7:31 pm)

Replying to: andys120 (Nov 30, 2012 11:06 am)
I was the proud owner of a 79 Spider. It was a fun car and i loved it, but i wouldnt say i was impressed with the standards set by Alfa.
 
Quality an reliability were not Alfa hallmarks.

#15296 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [fedlawman] by andys120

Dec 02, 2012 (8:12 am)

Replying to: fedlawman (Dec 01, 2012 7:31 pm)

Quality an reliability were not Alfa hallmarks.
 
That's true enough but they made up for it with character and style, something sorely lacking in most modern cars (including the current FWD Alfas). A sport sedan with modern build quality and old-fashioned responsiveness and feel may be elusive or even impossible but we can dream can't we?
 
If not Alfa, who, or are we condemned to overweight blandly styled luxo-boats instead of real sports sedans?

#15297 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [andys120] by alltorque

Dec 02, 2012 (10:08 am)

Replying to: andys120 (Dec 02, 2012 8:12 am)
Skoda Octavia vRS TSI is worth a look - or would be if VW Group would sell it in your part of the known universe.
 
Review attached for the gasser 5-door Hatch. It also comes in Estate form and both body styles are also available with 2.0 TDi, of course. It's fun, chuckable and very roomy. Too big ? Search for the Skoda Fabia vRS - 170bhp of 1.4 ltr gasser fun in a 5-door hatch body.
 
Skoda Octavia vRS TSI

#15298 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [alltorque] by andys120

Dec 02, 2012 (11:26 am)

Replying to: alltorque (Dec 02, 2012 10:08 am)

Skoda Octavia vRS TSI is worth a look - or would be if VW Group would sell it in your part of the known universe
 
They do not sell it here of course, nor are they likely to, but my real problem with it is my belief that any real sport sedan has to have RWD. AWD might be acceptable if it mimics the dynamics of a RWD car but I have no interest in any FWD car larger than a Golf.

#15299 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [andys120] by fedlawman

Dec 02, 2012 (7:27 pm)

Replying to: andys120 (Dec 02, 2012 8:12 am)
There is the Miata, BR-Z, RX-8, Boxster/Cayman, and Elise/Exige.
 
But i agree, new cars dont compare in dynamics and feel to older cars. But its complicated. Older cars give more feel and feedback and are more fun and rewarding to drive, but this is partly because they have less rigid bodies and lower handling limits.
 
Different driving experience. For 99% of drivers, new cars are faster and safer.

#15300 of 16087 Re: Can Alfa-Romeo reinvent the sports sedan? [fedlawman] by stickguy

Dec 02, 2012 (7:42 pm)

Replying to: fedlawman (Dec 02, 2012 7:27 pm)
man, I would love to see a variant on the BRZ that was more practical. Stretch it a little and have a wagon style body.

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