Last post on Nov 30, 2007 at 8:12 PM
You are in the Toyota Camry
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Mercury Milan, Toyota Camry, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#192 of 218 Re: Ratings: Milan - 10, Camry - 7 [stlpike07]
Jul 25, 2007 (5:37 pm)
"Unhappy Milan owners don't necessarily go online, to sites like edmunds, to write up car complaints."
How do you know that? You mean they are not as smart as happy Milan owners?
But anyway, Camry is roomier inside and engine is smoother. It is different kind of animal. I would rather compare it with Buick than Milan. Milan is more like Accord in interior room and ride. Bumpy ride is normal. It means suspension is tight. If your friend has V6 Duratec – it does not have enough torque at low rpm. I noticed that Fusion does not accelerate in city without pushing rpm up (and therefore engine noise). But at high speeds it is pretty good. Milan is very comfortable on freeway and mountain roads. Camry on the other hand is kinda barge.
My original post was about lot of unsatisfied customers new Camry generated and it may affect on future Camry sales. Nothing is permanent. Sooner or later Camry will start loosing customers. It cannot lock them forever. And note that Camry also is uncool type of car. If it is uncool and have issues from day at same time who is going to buy another one when time comes? There are a lot of excellent choices around and Milan is one of them.
#193 of 218 Re: Ratings: Milan - 10, Camry - 7 [savetheland]
Jul 25, 2007 (9:21 pm)
"How do you know that? You mean they are not as smart as happy Milan owners?" Only 39 people have rated the vehicle, so you could take that as there aren't many happy customers either. 39 out of how many thousands of owners" Same can be said with the Camry......interesting.
The Milan and Camry are definitely two different cars, just like the Accord and Camry are two very different cars.
I agree with you about sales. When someone comes along and really creates a "better" vehicle it will happen. And by that I mean a better sales and marketing plan, a better public relations plan, a betterbrand image, and a better integrated marketing communications campaign. It is possible that it can be done. But other manufacturers have a lot of work to do before that happens.
That would be like the brand Sony becoming inferior to the Radioshack brand RCA......not very likely, but it could happen. Anything is possible, right?
#194 of 218 Re: Ratings: Milan - 10, Camry - 7 [stlpike07]
Jul 26, 2007 (2:19 pm)
Sony is not the hottest brand in consumer electronics anymore. If you consider DVD recorders - JVC makes better ones. Still digital cameras - Kodak and Canon make better cameras than Sony, even though Sony initially was a market leader.
Camcorders - Panasonic and Canon make better camcorders overall, but Sony camcorders are better in audio recording and low light environment.
TV sets. Until recently Sony was making best tube TV sets. But now Sony is just another brand. Sharp and Samsung are making better LCD TVs for less as an example.
HiFi audio – Sony never was a leader here let alone Hi End. Sony made good CD players, but it is irrelevant today. Unless you want super audio.
Game consoles – Sony lost its leadership to Microsoft recently.
Walkman – it is the old news. Now Apple is leading this sector. Computers – best computers for price are made by Dell. Even HP makes better laptops than Sony. Sony is absolutely irrelevant in computers.
Sony actually makes a lot of cheap and dull stuff today and is not leader in any field anymore.
#195 of 218 In August Motor Trend
Jul 26, 2007 (7:45 pm)
There is a Steeda Fusion. 0-60 in the low 6's. On my daughters soccer team there is a guy who modified a Milan Premier V6 much like the Steeda package. Took me for a ride and there was a very noticable difference in power. Some in the sedan room laughed at me, with the Steeda article it was sweet revenge. There is talk on the net about a 240HP 3.0, and a 180HP I4 coming in 2009. Ford is playing with turbo's!
#196 of 218 Re: In August Motor Trend [scape2]
Jul 27, 2007 (4:52 am)
The 240hp 3.0 is not a turbo. There is a rumored twin turbo 2.5L putting out 260 hp for the 09 model. Twin turbo 3.5L and even some V8s are supposedly being tested.
#197 of 218 Re: Ratings: Milan - 10, Camry - 7 [savetheland]
Jul 27, 2007 (3:11 pm)
Thank you for all of the technology information.
I was trying to make a simple comparison, thats all.
#198 of 218 Re: Ratings: Milan - 10, Camry - 7 [stlpike07]
Jul 27, 2007 (6:24 pm)
All I wanted to say that Toyota like Sony does not dominate in any particular sector. It does not make best sedan, or best SUV and etc.
#199 of 218 Re: Milan v Camry [akirby]
Aug 19, 2007 (2:38 am)
Is that why i'm seeing discounts on Toyota's at dealerships not just the Minvans but like Tacomas or Tundra one or the other selling $7,000 of off msrp. Not just American trucks and Suv's with the $7- 10,000 something discounts of msrp. $5,000 something of msrp for the Avalon. I even saw one selling at least a couple of 07 Cammry's at around $3,800 in discounts. Taking the $500 factory cash back and adding an additional $3,500 in cash back.
I know Toyota is spose to be the number one car but I see them sometimes offer $3-4,000 cash back on Camry's. You almost never find an accord discounted below probably $1,-2,000. You never see an Accord where they tell you your saving $4,000 off msrp.
#200 of 218 Re: Milan v Camry [makigrl]
Aug 19, 2007 (3:54 am)
"$3-4,000 cash back on Camry's." I wish! I have never heard of such a thing. Anyone else?
#201 of 218 Re: Milan v Camry [mcdawgg]
Aug 20, 2007 (4:44 pm)
It is normal for Camry this time of the year. It is end of model year so they sell new cars as an one year old ones. I bought my Sable with $5,000 discount and my friend bought Camrys twice with this kind of discount.