Last post on Nov 30, 2007 at 8:12 PM
You are in the Toyota Camry
What is this discussion about?
Mercury Milan, Toyota Camry, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#184 of 218 Re: Ratings: Milan - 10, Camry - 7 [stlpike07]
Jul 22, 2007 (10:42 pm)
stlpike07 there are too problems with your post. First I do not own Milan, Fusion, Mazda6 or MKZ and not going to, at least in near future. I certainly not going to buy car like Camry ever - here may be you are right. Secondly owners do not complain about Milan but complain a lot about Camry. Thats what was my point - what owners think about their cars. And note that people who rate cars at Edmunds understand something about cars.
I also believe in CR reliability ratings since it is only accepted reliability rating in USA. And they also rated Milan higher than Camry (and Accord).
#185 of 218 The media
Jul 23, 2007 (7:24 pm)
has pounded it into consumers heads that anything Camry or Accord is just plain better, no questions asked.. However with forums like these and the hundreds of others across the internet.. the consumer will rule!
#186 of 218 Re: The media [scape2]
Jul 23, 2007 (11:35 pm)
Maybe so....However, My 2007 Camry is fine. A friend who has a Milan hates it and always wants to ride with me rather than driving the both of us.
What does that say?
#187 of 218 Re: Ratings: Milan - 10, Camry - 7 [savetheland]
Jul 23, 2007 (11:39 pm)
Camrys are great cars. I don't think thats media hype. It is very unfortunate that some people are having so many problems with their vehicles. I feel for them.....However, just because there aren't hundreds of posts about people hating their Milans doesn't mean everyone is happy with that car.
I would imagine that practially every car, if not every car has multiple TSB's out for it and that a small percentage of owners experience problems. A friend who drives a Ferarri was having problems with his car. I don't have the money to buy one, but if I did, would that affect my decision to buy one? Probably not.
#188 of 218 Re: Ratings: Milan - 10, Camry - 7 [stlpike07]
Jul 24, 2007 (5:17 pm)
I do not like Camry not because of unreliability but because how it drives. Well I do not like if car has issues from day one either.
You say that only unhappy Camry owners and only happy Milan owners rate their cars on Edmunds. Donít you find this statement to say the least inconsistent? If there are so many unhappy Milan owners - where they are hiding? Didnít you think may be your friend just chose a wrong type of car? May he Camry/Buick type of guy but went instead for sporty car. It is not like Milan has a problem - it is rather your friendís problem of choice.
#189 of 218 Re: Ratings: Milan - 10, Camry - 7 [savetheland]
Jul 24, 2007 (6:49 pm)
Your are misconstruing what I said about the ratings.
As far as the ride, I understand that. Some people like a soft ride, and some people like to feel every bump in the road. I like smooth rides, versus bumping around. Thats why I got my Camry.
Unhappy Milan owners don't necessarily go online, to sites like edmunds, to write up car complaints.
"May he Camry/Buick type of guy but went instead for sporty car. It is not like Milan has a problem - it is rather your friendís problem of choice." Funny you say that, so what your saying is that if someone disagrees with you they are wrong? That doesn't make sense.....I'm not going to argue though.
What does make sense, and I hope we can agree, is that every car manufacturer has some unhappy car owners. Every car that is manufactured on an assembly line is not perfect. Can we agree to that?
#190 of 218 Re: The media [stlpike07]
Jul 25, 2007 (7:31 am)
A friend who has a Milan hates it and always wants to ride with me rather than driving the both of us.
What does that say?
Maybe he is just feeding you that line because he is a cheapskate and would rather burn your gas .
Why exactly does he "hate" his car?
#191 of 218 Re: The media [jeffyscott]
Jul 25, 2007 (4:13 pm)
I don't think he is a cheapskate...he has the basic stereo (I have the JBL stereo) so he may be a little jealous. HE drives his car a lot. I have fun riding with him, but I would rather drive my car anyway.
He said the ride has gotten a lot bumpier and that he is experiencing a lof of rattles. He has had some complaints about acceleration delay when he steps on the gas. I don't know what to say about that one.
I think some people need to take the time to get used to how a car drives and adapt their style of driving. I test drove 7 cars before I bought my camry. Some cars didn't accelerate for a few seconds after I stomped on the gas. The Camry did....who knows? People are having problems with every kind of car it seems.
#192 of 218 Re: Ratings: Milan - 10, Camry - 7 [stlpike07]
Jul 25, 2007 (5:37 pm)
"Unhappy Milan owners don't necessarily go online, to sites like edmunds, to write up car complaints."
How do you know that? You mean they are not as smart as happy Milan owners?
But anyway, Camry is roomier inside and engine is smoother. It is different kind of animal. I would rather compare it with Buick than Milan. Milan is more like Accord in interior room and ride. Bumpy ride is normal. It means suspension is tight. If your friend has V6 Duratec Ė it does not have enough torque at low rpm. I noticed that Fusion does not accelerate in city without pushing rpm up (and therefore engine noise). But at high speeds it is pretty good. Milan is very comfortable on freeway and mountain roads. Camry on the other hand is kinda barge.
My original post was about lot of unsatisfied customers new Camry generated and it may affect on future Camry sales. Nothing is permanent. Sooner or later Camry will start loosing customers. It cannot lock them forever. And note that Camry also is uncool type of car. If it is uncool and have issues from day at same time who is going to buy another one when time comes? There are a lot of excellent choices around and Milan is one of them.
#193 of 218 Re: Ratings: Milan - 10, Camry - 7 [savetheland]
Jul 25, 2007 (9:21 pm)
"How do you know that? You mean they are not as smart as happy Milan owners?" Only 39 people have rated the vehicle, so you could take that as there aren't many happy customers either. 39 out of how many thousands of owners" Same can be said with the Camry......interesting.
The Milan and Camry are definitely two different cars, just like the Accord and Camry are two very different cars.
I agree with you about sales. When someone comes along and really creates a "better" vehicle it will happen. And by that I mean a better sales and marketing plan, a better public relations plan, a betterbrand image, and a better integrated marketing communications campaign. It is possible that it can be done. But other manufacturers have a lot of work to do before that happens.
That would be like the brand Sony becoming inferior to the Radioshack brand RCA......not very likely, but it could happen. Anything is possible, right?