Last post on Nov 30, 2007 at 9:12 PM
You are in the Ford Fusion/Mercury Milan
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Mercury Milan, Toyota Camry, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#209 of 218 Re: No secret [scape2]
Sep 13, 2007 (9:47 am)
Media, media, media. I was wondering how long it'd be before I heard that old drum beating again
#210 of 218 Re: The media [stlpike07]
Nov 27, 2007 (12:47 pm)
My 2002 Camry has many door rattles that spew thru production of the new RAV today. Still, after 5 years and 65K, today was the first time I was to a dealer for a non-oil change appt. I had a selenoid go....coverged under my warranty. I did replace my front brakes once, not the back ones yet. I never had this with my Fords. They were more fun to drive and cost much less though.
#211 of 218 Re: The media [andrelaplume]
Nov 27, 2007 (6:02 pm)
I have my Sable for more than 5 years and 90,000 miles and did not have a single problem - only oil and coolant change.
But front struts wearing out and becoming soft, but still car handles and holds road better than new Camry. In Camry struts are soft from day one. But if you compare it with Maxima - well there is no comparision. Maxima behaves more like muscle car.
BTW brakes are another problem with Fords. They make them spongy and no brake flush solves the problem. But for commute it is okay - I did not have any problems with brakes so far (mostly with stock tires that I replaced with better ones).
#212 of 218 Re: The media [savetheland]
Nov 27, 2007 (6:31 pm)
The pedal can be spongy but it doesn't affect the brake performance. My Lincoln LS had great brakes - even better with Porterfield pads - but it was still a bit spongy. Stainless steel brake lines helps a lot.
#213 of 218 Ford brakes
Nov 27, 2007 (7:22 pm)
I find Ford brakes to be very progressive. Compared to Nissan and Mazda brakes which I feel are touchy. Its more of a style in my opinion. I think Ford brakes are easier to modulate.
The Maxima with CVT is a total ROCKET! To bad the interior is so icky.
#214 of 218 Re: Ford brakes [mschmal]
Nov 28, 2007 (5:18 pm)
Yes, Maxima interior sucks (as well as exterior). My wife refused to ride in Maxima because of interior design and quality, but for me it was fun. Still I would not buy Maxima because it does not feel as premium car despite of price..
Regarding Ford brakes - I got impression that air somehow finds way into brake-lines. In Sable I just do not feel that I can stop car as quick as in other cars. Of course I do not consider Camry as a “car” more in terms of appliance. So I compare to good FWD cars like Honda or Nissan. Did not try Aura or Malibu yet though. Malibu classic I remember had even worse brakes than Sable. Ford needs to put more engineering effort into brake design because Ford cars are pretty dynamic and need good breaks.
#215 of 218 Ford brakes are weird.
Nov 30, 2007 (6:00 am)
I've noticed that if i'm in a parking lot doing 5 mpg and I need to stop sudden cause of a car pulling out unawares, my foot goes all the way to the floor. On the other hand if i'm at highway speeds, I can easily kick in the ABS if I push the brakes hard enough. Almost like there is less boost at parking lot speeds.
Lots of Nissans have "break assist" Not sure hoe people react to this over the long term.
Keep mind that 1st and 2nd Gen Sable basically had a 20 yo braking system. My family owned 2 First Gen Taurues growing up and the only mechanical issues those cars ever had were bad brake rotors, CV joints and one had a fuel pump that went bad at +120,000 miles.
#216 of 218 Re: Ford brakes are weird. [mschmal]
Nov 30, 2007 (7:49 am)
Lots of Nissans have "break assist"
I don't usually need any assistance - I can break things all by myself!
#217 of 218 Re: Ford brakes are weird. [akirby]
Nov 30, 2007 (6:28 pm)
I do not know what that means - but Maxima allows to drive car very dynamically - I can always reliably stop the car. Cannot say the same about Sable. Mine is 44th generation. Even though it is nothing else than Taurus - it feels more luxurious.
New Taurus/Sable has very nice interior - almost like in luxury car, IMHO, especially black one. Fusion and Milan lack in comparison. Ford has to fix interior because people want premium feel, at least in case of Milan – it supposed to be premium vehicle. Most materials are good but switchgear feels cheap, driver’s armrest is too short (in Malibu and other cars it moves forward), steering wheel looks weird, dash storage compartments have cheapo lids or no lids at all.
#218 of 218 Re: Ford brakes are weird. [mschmal]
Nov 30, 2007 (9:12 pm)
I've driven Fords for years and the feel that you describe is not normal.
It may be a leaky master cylinder. You should bring it in for warranty service and tell them the symptoms.