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#129 of 198 2001 LE mileage by toyotafan6 Mar 17, 2005 (3:02 pm)
mine's a 2001 LE - 4-speed automatic, I get 30 mpg (city) the majority of the time, probably 95% - I can count on one hand the times I got less than that and I've had the car almost 4 years - sometimes I get better than 30 mpg, like today: I filled up, checked the mileage and I got 31.3 mpg on my last tank - my sticker said I'd get 30 city and 39 highway, so far it's been a great car and I am very pleased with the mileage.
#130 of 198 Re: jap man's #1pick [w2323] by blueiedgod Mar 18, 2005 (5:43 am)
Replying to: w2323 (Mar 17, 2005 6:41 am) I have a problem with the Civic because of one thing. The lower end model of the Civil lacks any options, they are just too plain. To get even a few options like power windows and doors etc. You have to move past 2 of the low end models to the lx. But they draw you into the dealership with the lost leaders at the bottom.   It is much cheaper to produce vehicle with less options. By making tims with certain equipment loading Honda is able to cut costs, and be competetive. If you were to take a DX Civic and add power door lock and windows using Toyota's option pricing, it would cost more than buying Civic LX with those things already in it.   Another thing that kills me about the civic is the 14 inch tires in the base, whats with that??? Most people tune their Civic's to their taste. It saves Honda money by not puting wheels that someone else may not like anyway. If you want 17 inchers, you can buy them your self, and it will be cheaper than buying from Honda. Tirerack.com is one place I would suggest.   The sohc compared to a dohc makes me wonder as well. You want the cake and eat it too?   Did you know for another $1000-1500.00 I can get a camry they have take home prices marked on camrys at our local dealership for 16k. Thats real pricing, I know because I've purchased 2 cars there   You can buy Accord LX for the price of Civic EX, so what?   Also with Honda you can't seem to get them off the msrp price as easy as it is with toyota. You can also forget about pricing on the accord. Unless you want to pay over 20k.   With some skilful nbegotiations one can get an Accord or Civic at or bellow invoice. (not MSRP)   According to Carsdirect.com Accord LX, 4 cyl, man, in my zipcode is $17,965. Honda Civic EX, 4door, man = $16,317, Civic EX 2 door, man = $15,952. These are no haggle prices. I have always been able to go under carsdirect.com pricing when buying cars.   This is your loss leader, Honda Civic VP 4 door (basically a DX with power options package and auto tranny) =$13,717, 2 door VP =$12,850.
#131 of 198 civic vs corrolla by w2323 Mar 18, 2005 (6:40 am)
I get $13,867 when i run the vp with auto. It also does not show that it has any power options. They seem to only add ac with vp option.   It looks like you have to go to LX to get any power at all.   I have a feeling the civic gets at least or better then 31 for some reason. CR appears to be pretty accurate. They say corolla 29, civic I think they said civic 32-33.   So it appears even though toyota states a very high MPG they are lying. It's making it easier for me to go with the civic for MPG anyway, they seem not to stretch the truth.   I also did a comparision of options of the following:   Scion xb, Civic Lx, Matrix, Corrola CE, and the Elantra GLS.   My results were as follows:   The Ion had 4 great standard opts tmv=$12300 The Civic had 7 great standard opts tmv=$14638 The Elantra had 28 great standard opts tmv=$12590 The Corolla had 13 great standard opt tmv=$12144* The Scion had 22 great standard opts tmv=$13730* The Matrix did not have power options tmv=$14177*   I included a 1k rebate for the corolla   Common features are power win/locks, ac and 29+ MPG    The winner to me is the Scion and the Elantra. Its funny the Elantra has the most HP and the Scion has the least HP. But both seem to stand out.   I know Elantra is not probally not up to par with the others, but the features are incredible, the warranty is the best in the industry and the prices are great. I will have to check the MPG on that one as well as it could be bogus.   The interior room on the Elantra/Scion also makes them stand out in the crowd. Look at the driver leg room for all the models above. I don't know about you but my old corolla/camry all have the same leg room. I hate it because your left leg is always arced.   Used to own an Excel had it for 7 years and 100k+ until someone hit me and it got totaled. Paint sucked and the manual trans sucked. But it lived a good life costs me 7100.00 in 1987.   Now they have better warranties. I bet CR still hates it though. The only negative on the Elantra is the Offset Crash was poor. To me thats not all that important.   The scion may be better then all of them at this point. The odd shape and perhaps lack of good bumpers is somewhat of a turn off to some. I kinda like the shape hate the way your head is almost hitting the front window.   * Hidden fees are also in Toyota products not sure of the others though.
#132 of 198 A little more research reveals by w2323 Mar 18, 2005 (10:18 am)
CR info update:   The Civic gets 29 MPG The Elantra gets 24 MPG but it also has good for offset impact test now. The MPG was for automatic, would think a manual would kick it up to 27 MPG. Also CR recommends the Elantra, reliablilty is is also half red.   The MPG is still a bit of a mistery for these cars. Since the Elantra is about $2000 less maybe even more with incentives I dont know about, it still is in the running. Comfort is a big selling point and it's larger inside. I would have to test all the models.   Selling points that mean something to me:   MPG, Price, Reliablilty, Comfort, Standard Options (not optional options).   Resell price is somewhat of a selling point.
#133 of 198 Re: Each person thinks their car is better than others. [05corolla] by swlightn Mar 19, 2005 (9:59 am)
Replying to: 05corolla (Feb 27, 2005 11:01 am) Hi,   I have 04 Corolla LE 4-speed automatic and I think mileage is not too bad.   I usually use local : freeway = 2:1 and always use the cheapest gas. mileage is 24-26 mpg.   When I travel, mileage is 33-39 mpg. Isn't it good enough?   My accumulated mileage is about 12000 miles and average mileage until now is over 30 mpg.
#134 of 198 Gas..... by atman Apr 27, 2005 (9:22 pm)
We're VERY interested in the gas.....we have to use premium in our navigator which gets 7 mpg in town and 14 on the highway...Can you say ouch????   We were leaning on the Corolla over the Civic.....but haven't driven them yet... If Toyota is fudging the gas mileage then that would push us toward the Honda simply because of being lied to. The base Civic doesn't even have air conditioning. Trying to compare apples to apples, the Corolla seems to come out on top but by a very small margin....With the rebate we can get the Corolla with sunroof and stereo for about the same price as the Civic which has no sunroof or upgraded stereo.   The Elantra looks like fun because of the many extra goodies, however they all seem to tank when you go to re-sell them where as the Toyota and Hondas really hold on to theirs....more than just the initial purchase price differences.   Cheers..... Dave Replies to this message: mcdawgg (Apr 28, 2005 8:35 am) atman (Apr 28, 2005 10:58 am)
#135 of 198 Re: Gas..... [atman] by mcdawgg Apr 28, 2005 (8:35 am)
Replying to: atman (Apr 27, 2005 9:22 pm) The EPA rates the cars on their miles per gallon, not the manufacturer, so Toyota is not "fudging." However, some people report lower MPG than the EPA. This is to be expected because of how different people drive and the different conditions. The EPA is a controlled environment test, so I think should be used as a comparison against other cars, not against actual MPG. Also, read the forums and notice that people are complaining about their MPG on both Hondas and Toyotas. Replies to this message: atman (Apr 28, 2005 10:58 am)
#136 of 198 Re: Gas..... [mcdawgg] by atman Apr 28, 2005 (10:58 am)
Replying to: mcdawgg (Apr 28, 2005 8:35 am) I realize that rated MPG versus real world is usually different. I also realize that I keep my foot in it much more than others, hence the exceptionally poor mileage on my Nav. However I just don't want to start out with a disadvantage, if Toyota ratings were inflated more than Honda, for example.   Having said that I also realize that it won't matter too much IF there is a slight difference. We had a 2002 Mazda 626 that we took cross country twice and after having it for more than 2 years it had 24K miles on it. My wife will be the one driving it and she works about 6 blocks away teaching.   "Fuel economy is measured under controlled conditions in a laboratory using a standardized test procedure specified by federal law. Manufacturers test their own vehicles—usually pre-production prototypes—and report the results to EPA. EPA reviews the results and confirms about 10-15 percent of them through their own tests" at the lab... taken from www.fueleconomy.gov   So realizing that the gov tests a few cars each year, there very well could be discrepencies between the data they provide and what the government sees, also the results may not be representative of 'real-world' driving.   Take Care Dave
#137 of 198 New Corolla by corpchimp Jun 01, 2005 (7:14 pm)
I just bought a Corolla LE automatic over the MD weekend and I have to say I'm loving it! I debated between getting that or a Honda Civic hybrid or LX sedan. While the Civic had the manual transmission I wanted, I couldn't get over the very conservative rear styling of the Civic (I know. . . as if Toyota would win any awards in innovative styling themselves). I thought the rear interior of the Civic was neat in that it had a flat floor and that it had a quieter and smoother engine than the Corolla. But the thing that sold me on the Corolla (besides the fact I have a bias towards them in that my previous car was a 97 Corolla w/ 121,000 trouble-free miles on it before the accident. ..), was its interior--felt more solid and upscale, the trunk-huge compared to Civic, cushier ride, IIHS ratings giving a slight edge to Corolla when equipped w/ the side and curtain airbags, and oh yeah, can't discount the great price I got on Corolla. For the record, my boyfriend, a previous Civic hatchback owner and now an unfortunate owner of a 98 Saturn, liked the Civic better. . . which goes to show (at least in my experience w/ Honda & Toyota owners) that we become partial to the brands that we've purchased before. Except for those unfortunate ones that have had s..   Either car is fantastic in terms of reliability and resale value. Both cars are high up on the auto theft lists, but could also be due to the fact that, like Camrys and Accords, there are a ton of them out there on the road.   As for the mileage, I'm still on my first tank of gas. I've driven 250 miles and I'm only down to half-tank so I'd say I'm not doing too shabby, especially since I've had the a/c on half the time. Like others have said, one can't rely solely on the EPA *estimated* MPG. But at least, you would figure that all cars have this estimate and if you knock 5-10 mpg off each the cars then you'd still have workable numbers with which to do your comparison shopping. In short, if ppl are complaining about Corollas' MPG, you can bet that there are others complaining about Civics', Focuses, and any other car out there.
#138 of 198 Re: [blueiedgod] by sr45 Aug 16, 2005 (6:23 am)
Replying to: blueiedgod (Feb 17, 2005 5:12 am) " Ask a 16 year old if he/she would like a brand new Corolla or a Civic "   Than ask the same 16 year old when he/she finally matures ( 35 years on up ) and knows something about interior/exterior design, what car they would prefer....Corolla Replies to this message: thegraduate (Feb 16, 2006 2:20 pm)

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