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Acura TSX vs. Mazda6 s Grand Touring

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Re: Acura TSX vs. Mazda6 s Grand Touring [fedlawman] by mz6greyghost
Nov 29, 2006 (4:58 am)
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Replying to: fedlawman (Nov 28, 2006 9:25 pm)

Don't get me wrong - I love Mazda's. They make the sportiest, purest, most soulful Japanese cars out there. They have simply been challenged with marketing, production, cashflow, and quality issues...
 
I'll agree with the miserable marketing, but I've heard of no production issues since the fire at the Mazda3 plant. Cashflow isn't a problem, since they're pretty much the only car company that's both partly owned by Ford and MAKING money.
 
If I were a Mazda executive, I'd copy Honda/Acura too.
 
They did, in the early to mid '90s, and they lost marketshare and $$$, to the point where if Ford didn't step in, they would have left the US. Mazda has a good thing going with offering sporty, performance-oriented products at a reasonable price, instead of the plain vanilla offerings from Toyota and Honda. "BMW on a budget" is what I've heard more than once, and I agree.
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Re: Acura TSX vs. Mazda6 s Grand Touring [fedlawman] by aviboy97
Nov 29, 2006 (8:39 am)
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Replying to: fedlawman (Nov 28, 2006 9:08 pm)

No, you're wrong. Please do a little reading on "Purkinje Shift" and "Night Presbyopia" before you show me one of the scientific studies you reviewed.
 
Any one that needs corrected vision due to astigmatism, or similar conditions, has an easier time seeing red, rather then any shade of blue, if corrective eye ware is not being used. When I find that study, I'll post.
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Re: Acura TSX vs. Mazda6 s Grand Touring [mz6greyghost] by fedlawman
Nov 29, 2006 (12:37 pm)
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Replying to: mz6greyghost (Nov 29, 2006 4:58 am)

"I've heard of no production issues since the fire at the Mazda3 plant."
 
I actually didn't know about the fire. I was referring to their relatively small production numbers compared to Honda/Toyota. I think of Mazda as an almost "niche" builder - by Japanese standards.
 
"the only car company that's both partly owned by Ford and MAKING money."
 
Agreed, Their relationship with Ford has been a good deal for them.
 
""BMW on a budget"
 
I'll agree with that too. The Miata and RX-8 are two of the finest sports cars on the market.
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Re: Acura TSX vs. Mazda6 s Grand Touring [fedlawman] by aviboy97
Nov 29, 2006 (1:28 pm)
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Replying to: fedlawman (Nov 29, 2006 12:37 pm)

The fire was over a year and a half ago. That fire also limited supply of the Mazda3 for 2005. What has hurt in 2007 inventory is the Cougar Ace vessel on a 90 degree list off of the coast of Alaska, with an abundance of Mazda3's and CX-7's on board.
 
Mazda is just not as big as Honda/Toyota. They do not have the facilities to produce vehicles in the masses that Honda/Toyota do. Plus, they only have limited resources here in the U.S. Outside of the Mazda6, everything comes from Japan, where Honda/Toyota do a lot of production here.
 
Even though the Tribute and B Series trucks are made here, they are more or less Ford clones.
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Re: Acura TSX vs. Mazda6 s Grand Touring [aviboy97] by fedlawman
Nov 29, 2006 (4:21 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Nov 29, 2006 8:39 am)

"Any one that needs corrected vision due to astigmatism, or similar conditions, has an easier time seeing red, rather then any shade of blue, if corrective eye ware is not being used."
 
If you have astigmatism or another vision problem, then you shouldn't be driving without corrective eyewear. The reason why red is easier to see in this instance is because the eye is less sensitive to red, and an uncorrected astigmatism tends to "scatter" incoming light. This scattering would be minimized with red vs. blue light if the vision problem is left uncorrected.
 
However, you are not correct in stating that red is better "in all lighting conditions" as you did in post #42.
 
Here are some quotes from a couple of my old Army flight training manuals...
 
TC 1-204: Night Flight Techniques and Procedures. "Presbyopia. This condition is part of the normal aging process, which causes the lens of the eye to harden...As presbyopia worsens, instruments, maps, and checklists become more difficult to read, especially with red illumination."
 
FM 1-301: Aeromedical Training for Flight Personnel.
"Aircrew members will not use red lighting or red-lens goggles when viewing inside or outside of the aircraft during flight. Red lighting is a longer nanometer, which is very fatiguing to the eyes."
 
"Blue-green light falls naturally on the retinal wall and allows the eye to focus easily on maps, approach plates, and
instruments; blue-green lighting results in less eye fatigue...When blue-green lighting is used properly, the decrease in light intensity and the ease of focusing make it more effective for night vision."
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Re: Acura TSX vs. Mazda6 s Grand Touring [fedlawman] by johnny420
Nov 30, 2006 (9:20 am)
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Replying to: fedlawman (Nov 29, 2006 12:37 pm)

""BMW on a budget"
  
I'll agree with that too. The Miata and RX-8 are two of the finest sports cars on the market.

 
I'm not sure I'd agree exactly with that. As fine as they are, neither the Miata nor the RX-8 are sedans, and neither offer the level of luxury or refinement that BMW's do, and I don't think they even try to. If you'd specifically mentioned the BMW Z series, then OK.
 
Both are excellent sports cars in the strictest sense of the word. I guess I see this as more of a apples to oranges comparison, budget considerations or no.
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Re: Acura TSX vs. Mazda6 s Grand Touring [johnny420] by aviboy97
Nov 30, 2006 (10:24 am)
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Replying to: johnny420 (Nov 30, 2006 9:20 am)

I believe he was referring to the fact that Mazda's resemble the appearance of BMW's, as well possessing handling characteristics you see in BMW's. I get this quite often from customers. Fit and finish are no where near BMW, but, that is to be expected.
 
To be technical, the RX-8 is a sedan.
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Re: Acura TSX vs. Mazda6 s Grand Touring [fedlawman] by aviboy97
Nov 30, 2006 (11:12 am)
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Replying to: fedlawman (Nov 29, 2006 4:21 pm)

Funny, I am a pilot as well, hence me name Avi...for aviation...however, I was never in the service. I was flying before I was driving....pilots license at 16.
 
I'm still trying to locate where I read what I posted. I guess different studies give different results. Personally, I find red easier to read. But, thats just me.
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Re: Acura TSX vs. Mazda6 s Grand Touring [aviboy97] by fedlawman
Nov 30, 2006 (3:24 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Nov 30, 2006 11:12 am)

You must be younger than me Aviboy.
 
I went to flight school when I was 23 and I didn't have any vision problems. Now that I'm 40, I still have 20/15 uncorrected vision in the daytime, but at night my vision is not what it used to be.
 
And yes, the red instruments in my BMW are a little "fuzzy" to my eyes at night. I have to look and really concentrate on focusing to make them perfectly clear.
 
I never thought it would happen to me.
 
So what do you fly? I'm pretty much a helicopter guy (I fly an A-Star during the week), but I do have a couple hundred hours in SEL airplanes (Cessna 206 Soloy mostly).
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Re: Acura TSX vs. Mazda6 s Grand Touring [aviboy97] by johnny420
Nov 30, 2006 (5:37 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Nov 30, 2006 10:24 am)

I believe he was referring to the fact that Mazda's resemble the appearance of BMW's, as well possessing handling characteristics you see in BMW's. I get this quite often from customers. Fit and finish are no where near BMW, but, that is to be expected.
  
To be technical, the RX-8 is a sedan

 
Mazdas resemble BMW's? Sorry, not seeing it. Handling, OK, at least for the RX-8 and Miata.
 
And the RX-8 may technically be a sedan, but it's rear seat comfort is marginal, and don't you have to open the front doors before you can open the rears? Not very sedan-like. Let's not split hairs, it's a sports car.
 
I like Mazda's a lot, and would love to own a Miata someday. I just wasn't getting the BMW reference.

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