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#478 of 688 Re: 2013 Porsche 911S & 9114S [flyinbrian1]
Jan 14, 2013 (1:05 pm)
So the lease residual is lower for the new 4S than the 2S? I am looking at leasing a 2013 Carrera 4S and my sales person was guessing the residual would be higher on the 4S,
I'd have been shocked if the residual percentage was as high or higher on the 4 vs. the 2. The MSRP price differential is $6,700 and from what I have seen, the resale value of a 2-3-4+ year old C4S is barely above a C2S. It seems that, at least in our area, the traditional enthusiasts prefer RWD. They also prefer coupes to cabs, as I learned on my 997 S Cab. That $10k MSRP premium I paid in 2005 was worth a couple grand on resale in 2011. But watching my daughters trying to keep their hair from blowing off in the back seat was priceless. Until they outgrew it.
As a side note, apparently one of the highly respected independent Porsche shops in our area has turned quite a few 996 Turbos into RWD by disconnecting/removing the front drive shaft. That's a bit too enthusiastic for me, but I guess that's one way to get a poor man's GT2.
#479 of 688 Re: 2013 Porsche 911S & 9114S [habitat1]
Jan 14, 2013 (1:39 pm)
Odd as Porsche is stating that 50% of their sales of the 911 are now AWD. My sales person stated that when a new model is released the residual is usually boosted at that time.
#480 of 688 Re: 2013 Porsche 911S & 9114S [flyinbrian1]
Jan 14, 2013 (2:05 pm)
The new model vs. old model boost would make sense (i.e. 991 C4S vs 2012 997 C4S), but I'm not sure that the fact that the "4" lagged the release of the "2" by 8-10 months makes much of a difference.
My sales manager - a 30+ year Porsche veteran - indicated that an even higher 60% of their 911 sales for the past few years have been AWD. But, he also said that about 50% of those are to customers that get the "4" because they think it is better handling in cold, rain and light snow. He tells them "not really", unless you also get winter wheels with Blizzaks, which most 911 buyers don't do. Another chunk get it because they like the look of the wider body. But with the 991 being wider and lower than the 997 already, you have to put the cars butt to butt to see much of a difference.
Here's an interesting comparison. This past fall, I was seriously considering several leftover, heavily discounted 2012 997 GTS's. The "2"'s that were out there often ended up selling for MORE than the "4"s.! They offered the sexy look of the wider body with the more enthusiast preferred RWD. And in the 997, the reflective strip across the rear of the "4"s looked hokey, in my opinion. The 991 C4S rear end looks much better.
Just curious, why are you interested in the 4 vs. the 2? Have you driven both?
#481 of 688 Re: 2013 Porsche 911S & 9114S [habitat1]
Jan 14, 2013 (2:18 pm)
I have not driven both yet as the 2013 C4S was just released last week. The word on the net from people who have driven both state the C4S seems to have better feel and handling than the C2S. I am getting the C4S as I live in Michigan and all ways get dedicated wheels and tires for my cars. I do also like the wide body and few other items that come with the C4S. It seems worth the price difference.
#482 of 688 Re: 2013 Porsche 911S & 9114S [flyinbrian1]
Jan 14, 2013 (4:11 pm)
Better feel and handling is pretty subjective - especially the "feel" one - which is why I asked if you have driven yourself. My sales manager has driven the new C4S and loves it. But he said some of his colleagues at Porsche in Atlanta and the PCCA here just don't like the "feel" of having the front wheels driven. I've gone completely in the other direction by ordering a 2014 Cayman S. It will be my first mid engine car. After driving the new Boxster S at a Porsche track event, I was sold on mid engine nimbleness.
That said, if the C4S seems like it's worth the price difference to you, thats all that matters. It is a great looking car and if I was in Michigan, willing to get winter rims and tires and looking to get all of the driving days behind the wheel that I could, there probably isn't a better car on the planet.
#483 of 688 2012 Rates
Jan 15, 2013 (1:34 pm)
Car Man - Do you have Jan. PFS numbers for 2012 C2S? My local dealer have several in stock and is offering fairly substantial discounts on them ~$15K. So I'm debating whether to lease a 12 or 13. 36 mos. w/10,000 or 12,000 miles. Thanks...
#484 of 688 Re: 2012 Rates [ex007]
Jan 15, 2013 (1:44 pm)
Any of those leftover 2012 C2S's 7-speed manuals? If so, mind posting the name of the dealer. I have an order in on a 2014 Cayman S, and am unlikely to switch to a 991S, but it would be tempting. I had a great deal on a 991 base, at $16k under MSRP, but it got away while I was waiting for the Cayman unveiling.
#485 of 688 Re: 2012 Rates [habitat1]
Jan 15, 2013 (3:01 pm)
All three - 2 couples and a cab - are PDKs. And I agree, it's very tempting. Wasn't in the market but dropped by on a whim Saturday and was (very) pleasantly surprised at the discounts on the 12s.
#486 of 688 Re: 2012 Rates [ex007]
Jan 15, 2013 (5:11 pm)
Thanks. Seems like almost all the leftover 2012's are PDK's. I'm too old to learn how to drive one of those. I can push a clutch and flip my wrist in my sleep, but made a mess trying to paddle shift the PDK at a recent Porsche event at Summit Point Raceway. Just left it in automatic the whole time.
Can I guess that the dealership is not Auto Palace, but close?
#487 of 688 Re: 2012 Rates [habitat1]
Jan 15, 2013 (5:48 pm)
Your guess would be correct.