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Re: Merc Mariner Hybrid Bad Mileage [testes] by stevedebi
May 27, 2008 (11:46 am)
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Replying to: testes (Mar 29, 2008 4:18 pm)

"Does the 08 have the same problem as the 06? If the defroster is turned on (control in red) then the ICE will not turn off... I still get 32 in MA with 27000 miles on the Sprout. I have to manually manage the defroster needs."
 
That is not a problem, that is the way the FEH / MMH are designed. The A/C compressor has to run when the defrost is selected, and the compressor requires the ICE to operate. Using either of the two "orange" HVAC selections is the same as turning on A/C without ECON.
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Re: The Flying Dutchman? [beartraprr] by darvv1n
Jun 09, 2008 (6:17 pm)
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Replying to: beartraprr (Mar 15, 2008 1:27 pm)

Car salesmen do not lie near as much as buyers do. There is a saying in the car business, "buyers are liars" 95 percent of the time they are trying to bite off more than they can choose. Oh i have to go talk to the wife, oh we will be back, here is my phone number (oops they gave us the wrong number), I will do business today at those numbers, then they leave!! the list is countless. I have been doing this for 5 years and there is no need to lie to sell a car. the truth will find its way out in the end. if you are honest to them and treat them right they will come back and buy more and more cars. which my customer's do. but for the ones i don't sell. its because they have lied or try to purchase a vehicle thats not in their budget and are insecure to say that they can't afford it. Or they say they have perfect credit and have a 393 beacon score. who are the liars now?
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Re: The Flying Dutchman? [darvv1n] by cracovian
Jun 11, 2008 (6:33 am)
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Replying to: darvv1n (Jun 09, 2008 6:17 pm)

I tend to buy new cars (and most recently the '08 Sienna) from honest sellers which is relatively easy to detect for a person who does their homework and knows a bit about cars. The guy who sold us the car wasn't pushy, was patient, was aware of the limitations in his knowledge, and backed the sale up with an attractive price on the first try.
 
To stay on topic though, how come these Mariners are so hard to come by? I would have probably bought one instead of my Sienna if there had been any in stock... Is Mercury losing money on these or does it have limited electric powertrain production capacity or something? There are plenty of regular versions in stock, so what's stopping them from switching over to the hybrids that everyone wants? Does anyone have any insight?
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Scarcity of Mercury Mariner Hybrids by transpower
Jun 11, 2008 (7:18 am)
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I understand that the scarcity is due to lack of hybrid battery supplies. I got my 2008 MMH in March of 2007, when they first came out, so I lucked out.
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Re: Scarcity of Mercury Mariner Hybrids [transpower] by cracovian
Jun 16, 2008 (5:58 am)
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Replying to: transpower (Jun 11, 2008 7:18 am)

There's a good article on thecarconnection.com covering the scarcity of hybrids in general. Aside from capacity and battery shortage challenges, Ford doesn't want to increase its production numbers (they're at the same level as last year) since the SUV is apparently not economically justified (meaning they lose $$$ on each sale.)
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Re: Premium Maintenance Plan [mel352] by dmbflorida
Jul 01, 2008 (10:00 pm)
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Replying to: mel352 (Jan 20, 2008 8:29 am)

When I had my 2004 Prius, the Forums I belonged to frequently gave the names of salespersons at dealerships who would sell the Prius extended maintenance/warranty contracts at greatly reduced prices. These contracts were totally honored at dealerships in the U.S. Has anyone found a similar reference for buying a Ford hybrid Escape extended maintenance/warranty at a discounted price?.
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Re: Premium Maintenance Plan [dmbflorida] by wwest
Aug 17, 2008 (8:27 am)
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Replying to: dmbflorida (Jul 01, 2008 10:00 pm)

Simple.
 
Don't buy the extended warranty from the selling dealer.
 
Go to a finance person at a different dealer, even different marque, and negotiate a deal for an extended warranty. I have often bought Toyota warranties for Fords and vice versa often at half the price quoted by the selling dealer.
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I don't get it by pf_flyer HOST
Nov 26, 2008 (4:47 pm)
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Ford REALLY needs to move some iron and offers employee pricing and 0% financing combined on 9 models and does NOT include the 2009 Mariner hybrid in that group.
Kind of makes you wonder what direction they want to move in
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Used '08 Mariner Hybrid ? by dgr124
Nov 29, 2008 (11:43 am)
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Have been very interested in FEH and MMH for several years, but the costs kept me away, although I realize in many cases they don't make a lot of sense financially anyway. I know someone who is a rural mail carrier that bought a used one (not sure the year) and loves it. New ones are nowhere to be found in the region. An area dealer has '08 Mariner on his lot. 7900 miles, not top of the line with few options, 4WD/AWD. Asking $25100. Does that price seem about right? We are talking about at $5K difference. Salesperson said it was traded in because the people couldn't afford payments on it, and bought a Focus. Of course I have no idea if he is lying or not (Sorry sales people). Seems like a lot especially now with the reg. FE and MM with special current incentives in low $20s new comparably equiped.
What should I look for OR look out for in a used one? I have read a lot here about problems in winter. I am in WI. It is in garage at night and when not used. I have 2 vehicles. Also, how long (days) can it sit without being run? I use my Ranger mostly in winter. Are some quirks showing up in the '08s? Any years to avoid or look out for? Should I ask for a CARFAX report? Contact previous owner? Escape VS. Mariner. Any important differences good or bad I should be aware of?
Would appreciate advice or info that might help me get a good vehicle at a good price.
Maybe it would be better to wait for the new Fusion and Milan hybrids. But any idea of the projected price of them? I understand their will be significant differences in the hybrid system. Salesperson said they should start to show up in first quarter of '09.
Thanks anyone/everyone!
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Re: Used '08 Mariner Hybrid ? [dgr124] by baysailor
Dec 05, 2008 (9:40 pm)
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Replying to: dgr124 (Nov 29, 2008 11:43 am)

I have an 08 MMH with 20 kmi and love it. We paid ~33K and thought we got the best deal we could back in Feb when gas prices were $3.30/gal, and dealers were selling all they could get before the came off the truck. The price seems a bit high, but since its used, and the dealer has had it a while, he might be willing to negotiate since gas prices are way down. I don't know the current Blue Book value, but the math sez that a $5K difference will take >150 kmi to recoup. I expect that the sale of hybrids has slacked off somewhat (maybe not as much as all cars in general.) On the coasts the demand is still high. We have had no problems with the car (zero) in 11 months, and the mileage (when warmer) has been better than advertised
 
There have been few problems with winter weather and hybrids other than the change in gas mileage. Hybrid mileage is affected by cold weather, more so than regular cars, just browse thru the message boards and you'll see why. The gas engine spends more time on charging the battery and warming the driver, and the gas that is uses (if has more ethanol) gets worse mileage - our mileage varied by ~20% between summer and winter. If you do short runs where the battery never kicks in, the mileage is really affected. For the vehicle you're looking at, your discharge rate should be relatively slow, and keep in mind the high voltage battery and the standard 12 V battery are connected, so the battery should take a long to discharge. I would think if you drove it once every other week you won't have a problem.
 
There a virtually no differences between FEH and MMH except for trim. Exactly the same powerplant and drive train, and same options on the inside. I would certainly ask for a Carfax report and if you're serious, set up an appointment at another dealer who has a hybrid-trained technician and give it a once over.
 
In my opinion, It's hard to make a case for a hybrid with gas prices 12 years. But I think that in 18 months, gas prices will be back over $2.50 a gallon and you can make the case for using a hybrid. A really good case when the price goes over $3.50/gallon.
 
I personally would wait. A lot of really good technology should be out in 2 years - much better batteries, extending the range, and better, more efficient engines that can extend the basic mileage.
 
Cheers

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