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#88 of 97 Not certain yet, but... by pf_flyer HOST

Apr 16, 2012 (5:11 pm)

Ethanol MAY have disappeared from the pump at one local station. At my last fill up, my mileage was up about 10%, which is what the ethanol "costs". I'll have to wait until my next fill up to see if I'm looking at a filling variation (although I'm usually pretty good about being consistent), but I'm looking at mileage numbers I haven't seen out of my car in about 4 years.

#89 of 97 Re: Not certain yet, but... [pf_flyer] by gagrice

Apr 16, 2012 (5:28 pm)

Replying to: pf_flyer (Apr 16, 2012 5:11 pm)
I am thinking that Costco gas now has less ethanol than when the subsidy was in place. My mileage went up about 5% on my Nissan PU truck. No different driving style.

#90 of 97 Re: Not certain yet, but... [gagrice] by pf_flyer HOST

Apr 16, 2012 (5:32 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Apr 16, 2012 5:28 pm)
I'm hopeful, although not holding my breath
 
The jump in mileage is just too big and too precise to be anything but the lack of ethanol. But it will be another week or so before I'll be able to tell for sure

#91 of 97 Re: Not certain yet, but... [pf_flyer] by gagrice

Apr 16, 2012 (5:45 pm)

Replying to: pf_flyer (Apr 16, 2012 5:32 pm)
The signs on our pumps say up to 10% ethanol. I believe the mandate is just 2.9% ethanol required. Ethanol costs a lot to truck to CA from the midwest. Same probably goes for the East Coast. So cutting back to 2.9% could save them money at the distributor level. Ending the subsidy will save the tax payers $6 billion per year.
 
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/story/2012-01-03/ethanol-subsidy- -gas-prices/52355056/1

#92 of 97 Re: Not certain yet, but... [gagrice] by pf_flyer HOST

Apr 17, 2012 (2:26 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Apr 16, 2012 5:45 pm)
It would be nice if that "up to" could be eliminated and we had a number displayed that told us exactly how much ethanol is in the mix. Wouldn't that make us better informed consumers so we could better judge the effectiveness (or lack of same) of the ethanol blend?
 
For example, as far as my experience goes, the "up to 10%" has consistently cost me 10% in mileage across 4 different vehicles. If that actually has been reduced to 2.9% and I'm seeing a 10% gain in mileage, then my understanding of physics may be shaken up. If you add something to gasoline that has less energy per unit volume, you simply cannot get better mileage with the blend.Which is why I suspect that I hit a tank full of non-ethanol gas

#93 of 97 No great place for this... by kirstie_h HOST

Jun 22, 2012 (9:50 am)

but this is as good as any.
 
The EPA demands you raise unicorns. You must have one thousand unicorns per acres or they will fine you. "But unicorns don't exist," you protest. "Don't worry," the EPA says, "we know this and we're reducing the requirement by 98% so your fines will be lower. Better get started, though. The required number goes up next year."
 
Huh?
 
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/06/21/regulation-requires-oil-refiners-use-- millions-gallons-fuel-that-is-nonexistent/

#94 of 97 Re: No great place for this... [kirstie_h] by gagrice

Jun 22, 2012 (4:53 pm)

Replying to: kirstie_h (Jun 22, 2012 9:50 am)
Just another hidden tax added to our gas, by a federal agency that needs to be cut at least in half. Most states now enforce environmental regulations. So the need for a massive EPA is gone.

#95 of 97 Ethanol trashing our farm economy by gagrice

Sep 10, 2012 (6:58 am)

Politicians can blame the weather for drought. But they cannot blame the weather for government mandates that led farmers to overplant corn this spring for ethanol production, which monopolizes 40 percent of America’s corn yield.
 
Miles of useless corn fields are boosting the price of corn (almost 23 percent). Restaurateurs, consumers and livestock farmers will suffer while the many of the farmers who planted the corn have subsidized insurance and, so, despite overplanting, will not feel pain.
 
Farming Turns Good Republicans into RINOS
 
Republicans like Sen. Roy D. Blunt (MO), Sen. Pat Roberts (KS), Sen. Susan Collins (ME), Rep. Tom Latham (IA), Rep. Tom Cole (OK), Rep. Frank D. Lucas (OK) and House Speaker John Boehner (OH) have run to the people and the press with their reasons for why the taxpayers must bail out farmers.
 
Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell lauded a five-year farm bill that the Senate passed in June (which allocates a half-trillion-dollars to food stamp programs and subsidies for select crops like sugar) as: “one of the finest moments in the Senate in recent times in terms of how you pass a bill.”
 
If Republicans are now the party of just getting things done, we may as well hire a group of third graders to run Washington. Because getting something done is not synonymous with accomplishment.
 
I could spend an entire year sipping poolside Mai Tais while reading comic books and assert that I “got something done.” I would have done something, but accomplished nothing. This is effectively what Republicans are doing (not accomplishing) in Washington when they ram through farm subsidies that damage our economy.
 
http://townhall.com/columnists/katiekieffer/2012/08/27/rinos_play_farmville

#96 of 97 Re: Ethanol going down with gas price? [gagrice] by nova21

Jan 12, 2013 (12:04 pm)

Replying to: gagrice (Oct 08, 2006 8:16 am)
Would you have Allie about the average milage on an ethanol powered vechicle

#97 of 97 Question to all ethanol vechicle owners by nova21

Jan 12, 2013 (12:07 pm)

What is the average mileage on the vechicle and how often do you refuel ? Leave a reply please

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