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#92 of 108 Re: Pickup Choices: Chevy Duramax or Dodge Ram? [dooleyboy]
Jun 21, 2011 (8:09 pm)
I will tell you my experience. I drove a 1994 Dodge dakota from the day it was new until last year, I retired it at 338,000 miles as it broke down in front of the Dodge Dealership. I pulled in a purchased a 2006 Dodge 2500 cummins with very low miles. With in the last year, the A/C has gone out 4 times, drivers seat belt locked me in and never released ( purchased a new one for $50), it wears 80K mile tires out in under 20k miles, injector lines rattle and need tightening at times, replaced the transmission at 92k miles and again needed replacment at 120K miles, at 122K miles now has a rattle and is missing terrible (could be bad fuel in all fairness). Stock the truck was getting 14 mpg and with a BullyDog program I average 22 mpg and have more power than needed. The truck will carry and pull anything, If you want a work horse buy the dodge but dump it at 100k miles. if you want a few hundred thousand miles of dependable driving but smaller load pulling ability buy a chevy. My father 2006 duramax has been flawlessly operated until this very day but gets 11-12 mpg even with the same program and my cummins will spank the duramax and send it home but will eat another transmission doing it. I hope some of this is of help.
#95 of 108 purchased a used large truck or SUV?
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Apr 17, 2012 (4:01 pm)
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#96 of 108 Keep '02 or get new diesel pickup?
Oct 13, 2012 (6:30 pm)
I have a 2002 Chevy Silverado 2500 HD, crew cab, 4x4, fanciest interior w/heated leather seats, tow package, etc and it was made in Canada. It gets about 15 aorund town and 18 on the freeway. I've made multiple cross country trips in this truck, alone and with a friend, and love driving it. It has 120,00+ miles, mostly due to having been deployed x 2 years when it was parked. I've also required little maintenence; did all of the oil/fuel filter changes myself until I lost vision in one eye, and then fuel filter placement (always a pain), made doing it myself almost impossible. Have maintained service at a good garage after vision problem. No problems with fuel injectors. Had a pin-hole size leak in a fuel line; caused problems with starting, which haven't happened since fuel line replaced in '12. Both front axle seals replaced after one leaked in '07.
Have driven older Fords ('96) and Dodge ('95). Like ride, turning, comfort of my truck better.
Keep it or get new one, due to ever rising cost of disel?
#97 of 108 Narrowed it down to Chevy HD vs ram 2500 when...
Oct 20, 2012 (7:07 pm)
I took 16 minutes trying to soak in this entire thread which began a few years ago.
Looking for a pickup to buy in 6-18 months. I'm looking for a reliable diesel. I tend to keep my cars for years. Some of the comments that I have read here point to the longevity of these engines. But it seems that the comments made suggest that the Rams need transmissions anywhere from 100 to 150k. And somewhere else I read the Chevy Duramax tends to last longer. I am open to open both brands.
I drove a cummins 6.7 yesterday in the ram 2500. I loved it. But then the salesman also said that at some point in the year the 2013 ram 1500 will definitely have a diesel engine. Most likely the one used in the VM engines used in European jeeps.
So now I am faced with choosing among three types. I'm excited about the 1500 getting diesel but before anything else, can anyone else offer new insight onto the long-term reliability of the Chevy Duramax compared to the Cummins compared to the VM engine?
#98 of 108 Re: Narrowed it down to Chevy HD vs ram 2500 when... [mirrodie1]
by KCRam@Edmunds HOST
Oct 21, 2012 (5:20 pm)
Chrysler is indeed seriously considering the VM diesel (3.0L V6) that will also be used in the 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee. Hooked to the ZF 8-speed, the Ram 1500 diesel should get amazing fuel economy for a full-size truck.
While the Allison is certainly an excellent transmission, GM has the 6.6L Duramax pretty much at its upper limits, and will likely have to introduce a new one soon to meet future regs.
The Cummins was re-engineered in 2007 when it went from 5.9L to 6.7L, and with a 350,000-mile-to-overhaul rating, it's pretty much bulletproof. The Chrysler 68RFE transmission behind the Cummins in the 2500 has actually been a very durable transmission since its introduction.
Since your window is up to 18 months, my advice would be to wait until the redesigned Silverado/Sierra is introduced, then compare to what Ram is offering before you make your final decision.
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#99 of 108 Re: Narrowed it down to Chevy HD vs ram 2500 when... [mirrodie1]
Oct 23, 2012 (7:39 am)
Thought I would share insight. The 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee is supposed to be getting a 3.0L VM with the ZF 8-speed which will be out before Summer most likely. Currently the closest relative in fuel economy is the BlueTec MB's on the market, but those are without 8-speed. So they are using the same combo in the truck and will be a late available with crazy fuel economy. Then for the 2013 Ram HD 2500 and 3500 6.7L Cummins, you can opt for a heavy duty Aisin Transmission that puts out 850 Torque but not sure if it can be ordered right away from factory. Currently they are not offering them as builds until about January/February. VM has been around for a little while, not sure about the serious longevity like the Cummins, but they have been producing for a quite some time and use in a lot of their products around the world. Then with Aisin now on board from the heavy duty, it should probably be a no-brainer on which one to go with. They just announced the HD Trucks a few weeks ago with all of this info.
#100 of 108 Re: Narrowed it down to Chevy HD vs ram 2500 when... [mirrodie1]
Jan 15, 2013 (8:11 pm)
Both are great trucks. The Alison transmission is a force to be reckoned with. But if it came down to it, Cummins is the way to go. Cummins has a longer track record. While the Duramax engine may outperform the 6.7 Cummins in most areas, the reliability and the longevity of the Cummins has time and time again proven to be far greater than the Duramax. One thing the Dmax falls short of is towing up a steep grade. The Cummins will go and go and go until it runs out of fuel. Also, the transmission behind the 6.7 Cummins has proven to be a pretty durable transmission as well. Fuel milage I have found to be about the same between both trucks. Now, the Cummins is noisier, but you are driving a diesel truck. Hope this helps.
#101 of 108 Re: Pickup Choices: Chevy Duramax or Dodge Ram? [dooleyboy]
Sep 18, 2013 (5:59 pm)
I know that this is an older thread, and the OP probably has already bought a truck, maybe 2 by now, but just wanted to add my 2 cents for someone else trying to decide on a diesel truck. When it comes to work trucks there are only 3 to consider Ford, Chevy, and Dodge. All three are great trucks, however there are some things to consider:
Of the three Dodge has the best engine. Made by Cummins the engine is itself is very impressive. Ford I would say has the second best engine in the Powerstroke (very stout and powerful diesel). The trick to the Powerstroke is LEAVE IT ALONE, everyone who is complaining about the engine needing constant repairs has also chipped it and modified it. If you leave it stock you will have all the power you need and won't have nearly the repair bills (guys who chip a truck so they can drag race it need to be horse whipped for ruining a fine truck). Chevy Duramax is a nice engine, has long lasting service, but under load generally doesn't have the power of a Cummins or Powerstroke.
Now if we all rode around on top of the engine block Dodge would be the way to go, however we need a frame, axles, transmission, ect... Of the three Chevy has the best transmission hands down. Ford transmissions usually don't have too many issues and are stout. Dodge transmissions are dog crap plain and simple. You want to quote "I got 500K out of my Cummins engine in my Dodge" -- how many transmissions did it take to get you there? Replacing a tranny for a diesel engine isn't cheap- a buddy of mine almost went bankrupt trying to keep his RAM 3500 on the road.
Frame wise in my experience Dodge trucks have weaker frames than Chevy or Ford. Seen a lot of Dodge 2500 and 3500 trucks with bent/straightened frames. Both Chevy and Ford have strong frames.
So the break down is buy a Chevy or a Ford. I personally have a 1999 F250 Super Duty with a 7.3 Powerstroke Turbo Diesel (stock) and have put 450K miles on it hauling everything from horses to tractors to sawdust (I got mine used with 150K on it, but jumped at it as it had never been modified). It is still running super strong and doesn't blow a ton of black sh*t into the air whenever stressed. A buddy of mine bought a '09 3500 Cummins Turbo Diesel dually and people can praise the Cummins engine all they want to, but if the truck is in the garage because the drive-train is crap that engine isn't doing the truck owner any good. He sold it after only having it for 3 years, but in that three year span he put 5 transmissions in it, 3 transfer cases, and 6 rear differentials. He never had that trouble with his old Chevy 3500, so its not his driving, and his old Chevy never had any problems with the loads we haul. Due to his truck being in the shop so much my truck had to do a lot of double duty and took it in stride.
The Cummins is a really good engine, but Dodge stocks their trucks with crap drive-train and a weaker frame. Dodge has the worse dog crap transmissions in the industry, so what good is that awesome Cummins engine if the truck is broke down? I highly recommend Ford F250 and F350 Super Duty or Chevy 2500 or 3500. Both are great trucks that you can work for many, many years and and many, many miles.