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Re: Compared to Toyota [stoneybroke]
by jano2
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Feb 06, 2008 (7:50 am)
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Replying to: stoneybroke (Feb 05, 2008 9:18 pm)
I do not like the navigation system at all - not worth the extra money you have to pay for it. I have not had problems with the paint on my car, but I just took delivery in August. I have seen other people complain on this board about the paint being 'thin' on their ES350.
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Re: Compared to Toyota [charlieliu]
by kyfdx HOST
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Feb 06, 2008 (11:16 am)
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Replying to: charlieliu (Feb 06, 2008 7:36 am)
Everyone that signed up previous to April 13, 2001, shows that as their join date...
Sorry..
regards,
kyfdx
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Re: Compared to Toyota [jano2]
by zekeman1
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Feb 06, 2008 (3:54 pm)
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Replying to: jano2 (Feb 06, 2008 7:50 am)
I have an 07 350 and the paint job is pathetic - in the right light near the front bumper on the hood, you can see where it drooled when they were spraying it along with some other uneven areas. While I don't have any pitting because I have a clear bra, the paint job is much worse than the 02 300 I had...when I bought that one the salesman pointed out that it had many many coats of paint (can't remember how many - maybe he was BS'ing me), but I do know that I never waxed it once and it always looked terrific.
Quality of Lexus has diminished - fit & finish is quite poor compared to my G35X - I wouldn't buy another Lexus. For now my business goes to Infiniti.
Z
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Re: Compared to Toyota [zekeman1]
by praz
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Feb 06, 2008 (6:12 pm)
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Replying to: zekeman1 (Feb 06, 2008 3:54 pm)
I agree with Z. ES350 has it's share of issues like paint, rattles/squeaks, poor fit and finish. However, I recommend 2008 ES350 over G if you are looking for luxury vehicle and not sporty. G is fast and you will feel connected to the road while ES is quiet and more spacious. ES is also more fuel efficient and has some features that G does not have. Z has both G and ES350 and has outlined the pros and cons in his previous discussion, that might give you some info.
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Re: 2008 ES350 Under Invoice [luvlexus]
by ekndy
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Feb 07, 2008 (6:18 am)
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Replying to: luvlexus (Feb 03, 2008 2:16 pm)
Please send me an email to edkennedy57 yahoo.com and let me know the salesperson that you dealt with at Lexus of Orlando. Thank you very much.
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Re: Compared to Toyota [charlieliu]
by charlesb
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Feb 07, 2008 (9:04 am)
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Replying to: charlieliu (Feb 06, 2008 7:36 am)
That is a strange coincidence.  13.04.2001 a day that will live in infamy.
Paint durability (as opposed to the appearance which is (generally) very good, especially on the Lexus cars) is poor because the water soluble paints used (for environmental reasons) now don't hold up to chipping very well. Of course, all the steel is galvanized so at least it doesn't rust.
Lexus paint chips just like Toyota paint and in most cases it is the very same paint with a different name. The chips are just part of the deal on modern cars and that fact has spawned the clear bra industry to the heights it currently enjoys.
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Re: Jan Sales [praz]
by beardie
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Feb 08, 2008 (6:51 am)
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Replying to: praz (Feb 05, 2008 11:15 am)
It does not surprise me one bit that ES350 sales are declining. I have an 05 ES330 coming off lease next month. I'm paying $417 a month and I put down only $600 up front. That included tax, acq. etc.and it's well equipped. Looking at a comparable ES350, it's not anywhere close to that. Of course I would expect to pay a bit more due to higher MSRP etc, but we're not even talking the same league. Lexus doesn't seem to want to be competitive in leasing again. I just got a quote on an S80...MSRP $42,600...$2000 down, and $379 a month OTD. ES350 with a lower MSRP won't come close to that! Consider this, plus the problems we all know exist with this car (the transmission hesitation has annoyed me since I got this car) and it's no surprise sales of this vehicle are down.
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how much is dealer holdback for this car
by charlieliu
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Feb 08, 2008 (9:04 am)
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I read an article that says the "Consumer Report baseline price" for this car is $29,311 that is over 600 lower than the invoice price. Consumer Report also says there is dealer holdback on this car. Does anyone here know how much the holdback is?
Thanks.
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CR link
by charlieliu
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Feb 08, 2008 (9:05 am)
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http://autos.msn.com/research/compare/default.aspx?c=0&n=5&i=0&tb=0&ph1=t0&ph2=t- 0&dt=0&v=t105660&v=t106321&icid=autos_379>1=
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