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Dodge Caravan, Honda Odyssey, Chrysler Town and Country, Chrysler Voyager, Plymouth Voyager, Van
#1 of 7485 Honda Odyssey vs Chrysler GCS
Dec 09, 2000 (8:25 pm)
I am struggling to make a decision between the
Odyssey LX and the Chrysler GCS. Given the Odyssey
has a more advanced and more powerful engine, the
GCS is a few thousand dollars less expensive. My
major concern here is their competency in towing a
pop-up tent trailer. I suppose having 30 hp less
than the Odyssey (at 210) doesn't necessary mean
that the GCS is not quite as capable in towing.
Besides, the 2001 GCS is supposed to be innovative
and very quiet. Having read that the Odyssey is
lacking in low rpm grunt, I do wonder where the GCS
stands in comparison. I have tried fruitlessly to
search the hp/torque performance curves of these
engines. Would anyone be able to shed some light on
this issue or direct me to relevant web sites, I
should be most grateful.
Dec 10, 2000 (5:50 pm)
Actually dodge makes the GCS and chrysler makes the town and country. Regardless though they are basically the same van with diffent name plates on them. That said the honda does makes more horsepower only if you elect to have the 3.3L engine in the chrysler van. Otherwise the 3.8L witch I have in my van make 215hp or if you wait a couple of months the Town and County limited will come with a 3.5L out of the 300M that makes 230hp. Whats more is that in order to get the 210hp from the honda you must use premium fuel whereas the chrysler vans only require regular 87 octane. I'm not sure of the torque on the honda but the chrysler 3.8 has 240lbft of torque and the 3.5 will have 245lbft.
#3 of 7485 Choose Honda
Dec 10, 2000 (6:53 pm)
The high end line of the Dodge product may ultimately have more power and if towing is your concern, there is no substitute for power. However, the Dodge product will be a "new" model and may suffer the ills of a new model. The power rear door comes to mind. Alternatively, the Honda is in its' third year. I believe most bugs are worked out. Of course, the bottom line is how you feel on the test drive. I suggest going on a test drive without the salesman, if possible. If not, make him sit in the back and be quiet. Take your time and don't second guess yourself once you have made a decision. My advice is to get the Honda EX-Navi. I love mine.
#4 of 7485 Odyssey vs. Dodge/Chrysler
Dec 12, 2000 (1:49 am)
This was a pretty easy decision for us, but we waited until the '01 DC vans came out just to be sure. The only area the Odyssey may fall short in comparing these vans is in interior features. The Odyssey interior looks plain and doesn't offer leather, and the stereo system is terrible, but these things can be added. In any case, Honda's strong suit continues to be engineering, and in that respect the two vans couldn't be further apart. It's the main reason the Odyssey is so popular with buyers, while Chrysler is already offering huge rebates and cutting production in Toronto. The Odyssey is just a well thought-out vehicle that will last far longer on the road than the Chrysler and will almost certainly experience fewer problems. Do yourself a favor and get on the waiting list for an Odyssey. It's worth the wait.
#5 of 7485 Ody vs. GC
Dec 13, 2000 (1:51 am)
"The Odyssey is just a well thought-out
vehicle that will last far longer on the road than
the Chrysler and will almost certainly experience
Last longer on the road than chrysler and fewer problems? Why is it that the Odyssey Problems Topic grows and grows and grows and people with the 2001s are still experiencing some of the problems the 1999s have. The Gen2 Odyssey hasn't been out long enough to prove it having fewer problems. I dunno about lasting longer...we'll just have to wait and see about that. Minivan shopper...do yourself a favor, buy what you like and what you are comfortable with...all minivans have problems but the Honda isn't perfect.
#6 of 7485 Odyssey problems
Dec 13, 2000 (2:56 am)
To answer your question: The owners of the Odyssey have very high expectations. I believe the problems so far have been minor.
#7 of 7485 Odyssey problems
Dec 13, 2000 (4:33 am)
Transmission clunk/replacements, engine whine, fuel gauge inaccuracy, fuel tank thud, pull to the left or right, falling roof rack pieces, speedometer, dash lights, phantom sliding doors are minor? I have high expectations for a vehicle myself and I don't consider things like that to be minor. In fact things like very early transmission replacements are major things to worry about.
#8 of 7485 ...problems (Cont)
Dec 13, 2000 (4:41 am)
and to top it off...these problems were evident in the 1999, 2000 and even the brand new 2001 models? And just recently American Honda Motor Company has requested ALLDATA to deny access to Acura and Honda repair information. So that means you will not have access to Acura or Honda vehicle repair information, technical service bulletins or recalls. Sad isn't it?
#9 of 7485 Minor problems
Dec 13, 2000 (5:45 am)
You have a point. I have been lucky and have not experienced any of the above problems yet. I'm just glad I did not buy a Toyota Sienna.
I would say a transmission change and phantom doors are the two most serious problems. I hope Honda will stand by their product on a case by case basis. I guess my point was that I expect the Odyssey to be less troublesome than the competition. I guess we will see....
Dec 13, 2000 (1:59 pm)
I traded in a 95 Dodge Grand Caravan on a 99 Odyssey because of a transmission problem. While Daimler -Chrysler has been putting in a marginal at best transmission in its vans for many years- do a web search on bad transmissions to verify. DC has a hidden recall, Honda replaces bad transmissions when they are found.
As for the number of Honda problem forums is now up to VII, the Honda discussion forum is up to XXX. If you look at that ratio the number of the problem forums looks smaller.