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Toyota Camry Hybrid, Fuel Efficiency (MPG)
#990 of 1002 Re: 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid XLE mileage [blingslade]
Aug 18, 2013 (8:33 am)
That is a fair analysis. I have the 13 XLE. I babied it for the first 250 miles and toped off the tank. It computes to 51 MPG. I don't believe that but double checked it and that is what it actually got. Then I took it for a shake down drive. Climbed from 600 feet over the Tenn. River to 1,300 feet up Brindley Mountain, flipped a U and came back down. Had to brake a couple time due to the steep decent. Stated MPG dropped to 46.7 MPG. So with only 50 miles of freeway and a mountain climb, I don't have much of a problem with that number. My 2010 Camry 4-Cyl typically gets 38 MPG on long slow scenic tours where my speed averages under 60.
Bottom line for me as an EE is this: If the battery looses its ability to take a heavy charge while going down a hill, then it will not be there to return the energy to the drive train on the way up the next hill.
So when gas mileage starts coming down somewhere down the road, I would suspect the Bat is losing the ability to take a fast (Rated) charge verses capacity - two different parameters.
#991 of 1002 2013 TCH XLE
Aug 27, 2013 (4:14 am)
Our car is about two weeks old. It does get great mileage, but compared to what? The average four cylinder Camry gets what 24 to 28 mpg on a good day, and the six cylinder gets 20 to 24 mpg in the real world driving experience. My own driving shows me that the best fuel economy shown on the middle readout is achieved by using the ECO mode.
In ECO, the throttle response is soften, the AC system is targeted higher and the whole vehicle is a different character. Very occasionally are we able to get into EV mode. The drive to work is very short at about three and a half miles, so the engine does not really get totally warmed up while on city streets.
In conclusion, the people that posted in January, February and March are using "winter fuel", which is lower in actual BTUs but does have a better, flame point for lower temperature than normal fuel. When "summer fuel" arrives, everyone's MPG's goes up along with the price of fuel. When the temp drops again later this year you will see a drop in fuel economy.
My wife loves the way the TCH XLE handles and drives with fuel economy coming in third place. Compared to her RAV4, which got 22 mpg uphill, downhill, loaded or not this is a great improvement. Going from that anything is an improvement.
This is our third hybrid, we got our daughter a 2010 TCH. It has been getting 33 mpg over the past year and I drive my 2004 Prius which gets 42 mpg in the real world average. Besides fuel economy, we like the fact that we can go 10,000 miles between oil changes with synthetic oil. These cars do not break, they simply go when we want and are absolutely problem free. Just think of the fuel that I have saved over the past nine years. It really saved my money and it did not go to the fuel producers. Don't let the winter fuel economy worry anyone, it makes up for it in the summer.
Sep 21, 2013 (1:36 am)
Until 2012 we were averaging 33 mpg in winter & about 30 mpg in summer due to continued A/C use. Now in 2013 our mpg is dropping sharply to 15-24 mpg. We can't get better than 28 even driving as conservatively as possible. We don't have a clue why. But we know Findlay Toyota in Vegas will drag our wallet over the coals with a diagnosis, then give us some sort of multi-million dollar solution. So we live with the problem until we dump it when buying a new car.
#993 of 1002 Re: '07 Camry hybrid [vegascaptain]
Sep 21, 2013 (8:23 am)
With your mileage dropping that consistently, and getting very low, I'd suspect that there is a brake caliper sticking. Happened on my '04 Corolla, and the symptoms were identical to yours.
Could be something else, but I'd check the brake caliper first.
#994 of 1002 Re: '07 Camry hybrid [vegascaptain]
Sep 21, 2013 (12:58 pm)
Not sure what is wrong but I'd bail out ASAP. I had a 08 Camry hybrid up until 6 months ago. Prior to its departure a door lock solenoid seized and was $600 and the water pump was leaking $550....not a big deal until 9 days later the drivers door lock solenoid crapped out and locked me in the car...taking the car in for an estimate I'm informed the struts need replacing at $700 per axle (1400 total).. I held off a couple of weeks to decide what to do and the car makes a loud bang after turning off....came from the engine compartment and attracted the attention of others in the parking lot. Spent the next couple of weeks car shopping and a third door lock solenoid failed to open the passenger front door while at a Toyota dealer looking the Prius and non existent Avalon Hybrid(they have a few now). The next day the last solenoid did not work....so now I needed 3 solenoids,4 struts and whatever that loud noise from the engine was. I said goodbye to it after 5 years and 1 month....wanted to keep it longer but too frustrated to deal with the never ending repairs.
#995 of 1002 Re: 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid XLE mileage [lester_eng]
Sep 24, 2013 (9:34 am)
Update: At 1/4 on the gas gauge, filled up. Only took 12.1 gallons.
Could that mean it still has 5 gallons of reserve? Thats a bunch.
Computer said it got 45.7 MPG. Actual came out to be 44 mpg.
Mostly surburban driving and on Hwy trip = 200 miles.
At fillup, it said the range would be 661 miles.
At 44 mpg and 17 gallons, the actual range to empty would be 748.
So the difference of 87 miles means that at 44mpg, the range readout reads zero when you have 2 gallons of fuel left in the tank, more or less.
In the next 188 mile trip, I averaged 48 on the read out, but had kind of a scare. I Climbed a 1000 ft grade in 4.5 miles. I made a few stops at the top and started back down the back side of the mountain (where the grade was not so bad but still a 1000 foot drop. The MPG readout (since car started) said 99. I notice that the engine had shut down and I was on Batt only and the Batt charge kept dropping even well after I left the mountain. I looked for a malfunction indicator - none. I looked to see if I had somehow gotten into EV mode - No.
Thought I lost a generator or something. Eventually 5 miles from the mountains, the engine started back up and the MPG started falling thru 88 mpg and by the time I got home 80 miles later it indicated 48 mpg and the batt was charged. I found that strange that it was using batt alone so long after climbing a 1000 feet up a 2000 foot mountain. Not what I expected the progammers software to do in that situation. Odometer was just passing 1000 mile at the time.
#996 of 1002 Update on mileage.
Oct 11, 2013 (6:56 am)
Thank goodness for the mild Fall months of Florida (not too hot, not too cold)...finally getting the 2007 TCH back to near 40 mpg in daily driving. Just did a gas check today, and it came back at 567 miles 14.6 gallons of regular unleaded, and that was with nearly 200 miles of Interstate travel at 75 mph, which is hardly optimal for fuel efficiency. Hope to be close to 600 miles with the next tank. Checking my fuel chart for the year, my worst fuel economy with a full tank of gas was 34.5 mpg in late July/early August (the heart of the summer heat), and 39 mpg in mid February (cool and mild), so there certainly is a difference to be noted based on the time of year. However, I can't imagine having the wild swings that some of the new Camry Hybrid owners report. Definitely sounds like something is wrong for a car that's supposed to do 40+ mpg giving up 25 or so.
#997 of 1002 Re: Update on mileage. [nettech]
Oct 11, 2013 (7:30 am)
Quote: I can't imagine having the wild swings that some of the new Camry Hybrid owners report.
I can't believe that either. Here is something interesting.
I get 39 going to the store 5 miles away in the suburbs.
I get 51 coming home. Very consistent - Why?
Answer: the engine is stone cold going and has to choke the engine.
The engine is hot at leaving the store.
Result: Better gas mileage. MY max on a long hop home was 77 mpg.
It all averages out to about 44 for me.
I keep my car in a semi-heated garage because it is on a continuous slab and the heat is conducted to the garage floor from the house and the garage door is insulated. The winter temp never drops below 45.
So I'm expecting lower MPG in January, but not that low. Time will tell.
#998 of 1002 2007 Camry Hybrid gas mileage in Arizona
Nov 16, 2013 (11:34 pm)
I have a 2007 Camry Hybrid, which I purchased in May 2013 with 41000 miles on it; single owner, garage kept. Prior to this, I had a 2000 4 cyl Camry and a 2005 4 cyl Camry (bought both new). Both the 2000 and 2005 were similar in gas mileage. I kept an excel spreadsheet and logged every single tank of gas and corresponding gas mileage for the 2005 for the 120000 miles that I owned it. The average ranged from 23mpg to 26mpg. For the 2007 Hybrid, my last few tanks with without the A/C or heater on have been right around 39.5. My summer tanks were anywhere between 29 and 32 mpg depending on how hot it was (thus running A/C harder). I coast and use my cruise control a lot. I love that the car is perfectly silent when waiting at a light and it also has decent power (although my 2005 non-hyprid Camry felt like it had more power ... but the shakiness during idle always bothered me ... same with the 2000 model).
#999 of 1002 Re: 2007 Camry Hybrid gas mileage in Arizona [aperson]
Nov 17, 2013 (7:21 am)
Hi aperson: You are a true hypermiler.
Since 2007, memory got cheaper and Toyota Software became more sophisticated. Thus, the EPA mileage took a jump upward to what it now is.
The 2013 is actually cycling the traction batt about once a week where it forces the system into batt only mode and MPG goes way up into the 60s area. Then the batt runs down, the engine comes back on and the MPG starts falling and the batt re-charges. NO I did not hit the Batt only mode switch. I've seen this a bunch of times and thought I had a problem.
Yes a lot of hot or cold weather will drop your MPG.
Good and bad:
Bad - short trips in cold weather in a hybrid will leave your engine operating below optimum operating temp too long and lead to carbon build up, etc.
Good - I find myself driving safer because I do not try to beat lights where I know I'll be sitting for 3 minutes waiting and waiting, because I know that I'm not burning gas sitting at the light.
Note: true the older Camries has a rough idle when parked at a light with the trans in Drive. My recient cars don't seem to do that probably because there is less resistance in the fluid connection between the engine and the drive train so the trans is not pulling in engine torque (my guess).