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#982 of 1000 you think you're getting bad mileage
Apr 18, 2013 (11:44 am)
I bought a 2011 Camry hybrid in 3/11. I was getting average of 40 mpg in good weather and about 30-35 in colder weather the first year and a half. In 11/12 I noticed a major drop to 17 mpg! I figured I had calculated wrong and calculated again the next time I filled up. Still 17 mpg. I went to my dealership in 2/13 and was told "the computer on the car says nothing is wrong." Isn't that when humans are supposed to take over? Guess not. The service manager, who is always nasty and adversarial, was yelling in my face, and I told him to literally and figuratively back off. He said it's because it's cold out. I told him it was a very warm winter. He said "I beg to differ." It's a phrase he uses a lot. I'm in Chicago, which had its 10th warmest winter on record in 142 years. And I was getting in 30+ mpg the winter before which was much like this past winter. I called a national Toyota number. I was told to keep a journal of fill ups and mileage for two months, and a district manager would come take a look. That two months is up and I have called the dealership (Unfortunately, that's how it works. I have to work through the same dealership who blew me off.) My mileage goes up and down. As low as 15 mpg today, and as "high" as 27 mpg last week. It still is so low it doesn't even register on the Eco Level display on the dashboard. My 2004 non-hybrid Camry gets 27 mpg. Something is very wrong, and it's not just because it was winter.
#983 of 1000 2007 CH going strong
May 03, 2013 (4:18 am)
I also might note that if you read all the messages until around page 98, most are positive, and the mileage posted seemed reasonable. That's right around the time that a certain couple of cars were being blasted for mileage claims. This is my recent experience with our old CH, the first CH produced. I've driven this car a fair amount, but never this long a trip. Indeed, the average MPG drop for our cold weather months is around 2-4 mpg. Once it got over 50 degrees this spring, the mileage went up rapidly, even before I took the aggressive snow tires off.
Remember this, I live in the hills and mountains. We had a 290 mile plus trip, 3 interstates, up steep and rolling grades. We left at 7 AM for a training appointment in Connecticut.
At the end of the day, I had achieved 37.6 mpg on the "liar" meter. Tank was reading roughly half.
I filled the car at 510 miles, and put 13.4 gallons in it. I typically fill after the shutoff, which in this case was an extra .7 gallons.
On the way back, it's more uphill and steeper grades, and I was in more of a hurry to get home. The end reading at my driveway was 36.7 mpg.
My driving style is fast, but conservative on gas. On the way down I went 70/75. On the way back I went 80/85, down to 70 uphill.
Now tell me about the EPA stickers and how cars react. I didn't baby it, but I don't drive like a dead weight either. I have no problem getting 36 combined out of this old car at all. There is one company who's cars I have driven where the spa ratings are so off as to be pretty ridiculous, total fabrications actually.
I tire of the "you need to know how to drive" excuses. Yes, many people keep their foot on the gas too much. But not testers that are trying to achieve a figure and due their best to practice it.
The new Camry Hybrid should be doing much better than this car, especially in the around town loops. Again, no problem meeting or exceeding their sticker ratings. Only one brand consistently fails by a huge margin to equal their epa ratings. (that I know of).
There is a definitive contrast in both the tone and the MPG reports this year versus the previous SIX years on the Camry Hybrids. There is also a huge difference between the tone and MPG reports on the Ford hybrid forums this year compared with previous years. But there is one thing that makes sense. People are in fact buying a tons of Fusion and CMax hybrids because of the 47/47/47 sticker ratings. As always, your mileage may vary
#984 of 1000 Re: you think you're getting bad mileage [cjw522]
May 03, 2013 (5:45 am)
I'm in Chicago too and my 2012 TC XLE hybrid had less than 1000 miles on it in February when the mpg was only in the upper 20's. My next tankful I was averaging in the mid-30's. This tank so far I'm averaging 40. Just keeps getting better. The other day when it was 84 I ran the air for the first time and I was thinking ok, the mpg is going to suffer a bit. Nope. Still averaged low 40's on my commute home.
As I probably posted here before (too lazy to research it so forgive me if I'm being redundant) I was in the market for the 47/47/47 Ford but man, it was so uncomfortable to drive. From the huge side pillars to the center console to the radio/nav unit. I love almost everything about my Camry (sunglass holder is useless and the inside moon roof cover is cheap and there's no tray in the armrest) and I would GLADLY trade the few mpg difference for the comfort of my XLE. Field of view is great, sound system is fantastic, ride is great, mpg's are great, etc. etc.
On another note, my front windshield, besides the 6" down from the top, seems like it has no tint whatsoever. I look at other cars and the windshields seem to have at least a little tint to them. My looks too clear. Anyone else notice this? Or is it just me? I know you can't tint your windshields, but it seems others come a little darker from the factory.
#985 of 1000 2013 Camry Hybrid XLE
May 21, 2013 (6:49 pm)
We got our Camry Hybrid on 3/31 and have averaged slightly over 40 MPG for the first three tanks (39, 41, and 41). Now that it is warming up and we're having to use the A/C we expect it to go down a few MPGs.
#986 of 1000 Re: 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid XLE [endonurse]
Jun 09, 2013 (6:34 pm)
Our 2013 TCHxle is a BIG disappointment for us. We have purchased new toyotas since 1986 and, currently, own a 2006 Prius hybrid as well. I am ashamed that we did not do more homework on this model before purchasing, but we TRUSTED TOYOTA. Our TCHxle is achieving at best 35 mpg, but mostly 24 mpg and this is unacceptable for us given the expected 38 highway and 40 city.
Toyota has not replied to ANY of our queries and has not offered any advice or recourse for a RECALL or CAL. This decent thing for a ONCE GREAT corporation would be to admit their faulty product line and reboot on behalf of all the customers. We chose Toyota on this purchase and are extremely disappointed and wish we had our 2001 Solora back, because it consistently achieved 28_mpg in 12+ years of ownership.
#987 of 1000 Re: 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid XLE [pbgoesedmunds]
Jun 09, 2013 (6:55 pm)
I can't imagine getting 24 mpg out of the new CH. I took one out for a test drive before I bought my Prius V, and did an easy 38 mpg which included stop and go plus our usually hilly interstate. We currently have 36 mpg tank ave on our 2007, which includes a lot of city driving.
There could be something wrong who knows. but I'd suspect driver problems as well. My current tank on my Prius V is 42.5. Nothing special for driving, learn to coat (as people should learn with all cars), prepare for stop lights, and take your foot off the gas for awhile when you don't have to be pushing. If I can get 38/39 out of our 2007, you can certainly get more out of the new one.
I don't envy the dealers.
#988 of 1000 Re: 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid XLE [pbgoesedmunds]
Jun 09, 2013 (6:57 pm)
Sorry to hear about your experience. My last tankful was 35 and the one before that almost 39. I think this last tankful was a little lower because I didn't baby it as much. But overall, upper 30's for me.
#989 of 1000 Re: 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid XLE mileage
Jul 19, 2013 (1:40 am)
I think it might be possible that TCH owners are going a little overboard on their mileage concerns. First of all, the TCH is a great car with a few setbacks but almost everyone can agree it gets very good gas mileage DEPENDING ON THE DRIVING CONDITIONS.
And therein lies the rub and raises what may be the biggest question you should be asking "What are my driving conditions?" For example my old Scion xB gets wildly different mileage results DEPENDING ON THE DRIVING CONDITIONS. I once took a long roadtrip in moderate weather on a long highway and I couldn't believe I got 40MPH on a car that usually gets 30MPH Tops. And by even further comparison when I drive my xB around town a lot I'm lucky to get 25MPH. That is a huge difference and if you look at it objectively it MAKES PERFECT SENSE.
And then the next biggest question I should be asking myself is "How much is this going to cost me?" Since right now I drive around 10,000 miles a year I don't think the difference between a 35-40MPG car vs. a 25-30MPG car is going to cost me more than 500-600 a year. Maybe it's best to look at which car is better to drive and more importantly "how much does this new car cost?" If the 25-30MPG car is 5K less than it certainly looks very attractive.
I guess to go further we have to go to how much is the car?, how much is the gas mileage?, how much is the insurance?, how much is the sales tax?, how much is the resale? When you consider all these factors then you can plug in all the numbers and figure out how much the car will cost you yearly, every five years, or whatever amount of years you want to calculate for.
In the end, I'm thinking if the TCH has a few drawbacks, is moderately expensive, and PROBABLY DOES NOT GET 40MPH REGULARLY, it won't save you much money and then it's not all that special of a car ..UNLESS YOU JUST LOVE IT ANYWAY!
So maybe we shouldn't just obsess over gas mileage..especially since we're probably not going to get what we want/expect. Most cars are about the same, they usually get around 20-25, other cars may get 30-35 and some rare cases get more than that..but they are very rare and most have sacrificed a lot to get those holy grail numbers.
Me? I'm just not going to worry over 500-600 dollars on gas. Maybe a better way to put it is I'm not going to pay a premium on a car that isn't exactly what I want and isn't going to save me as much money as I want.
#990 of 1000 Re: 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid XLE mileage [blingslade]
Aug 18, 2013 (8:33 am)
That is a fair analysis. I have the 13 XLE. I babied it for the first 250 miles and toped off the tank. It computes to 51 MPG. I don't believe that but double checked it and that is what it actually got. Then I took it for a shake down drive. Climbed from 600 feet over the Tenn. River to 1,300 feet up Brindley Mountain, flipped a U and came back down. Had to brake a couple time due to the steep decent. Stated MPG dropped to 46.7 MPG. So with only 50 miles of freeway and a mountain climb, I don't have much of a problem with that number. My 2010 Camry 4-Cyl typically gets 38 MPG on long slow scenic tours where my speed averages under 60.
Bottom line for me as an EE is this: If the battery looses its ability to take a heavy charge while going down a hill, then it will not be there to return the energy to the drive train on the way up the next hill.
So when gas mileage starts coming down somewhere down the road, I would suspect the Bat is losing the ability to take a fast (Rated) charge verses capacity - two different parameters.
#991 of 1000 2013 TCH XLE
Aug 27, 2013 (4:14 am)
Our car is about two weeks old. It does get great mileage, but compared to what? The average four cylinder Camry gets what 24 to 28 mpg on a good day, and the six cylinder gets 20 to 24 mpg in the real world driving experience. My own driving shows me that the best fuel economy shown on the middle readout is achieved by using the ECO mode.
In ECO, the throttle response is soften, the AC system is targeted higher and the whole vehicle is a different character. Very occasionally are we able to get into EV mode. The drive to work is very short at about three and a half miles, so the engine does not really get totally warmed up while on city streets.
In conclusion, the people that posted in January, February and March are using "winter fuel", which is lower in actual BTUs but does have a better, flame point for lower temperature than normal fuel. When "summer fuel" arrives, everyone's MPG's goes up along with the price of fuel. When the temp drops again later this year you will see a drop in fuel economy.
My wife loves the way the TCH XLE handles and drives with fuel economy coming in third place. Compared to her RAV4, which got 22 mpg uphill, downhill, loaded or not this is a great improvement. Going from that anything is an improvement.
This is our third hybrid, we got our daughter a 2010 TCH. It has been getting 33 mpg over the past year and I drive my 2004 Prius which gets 42 mpg in the real world average. Besides fuel economy, we like the fact that we can go 10,000 miles between oil changes with synthetic oil. These cars do not break, they simply go when we want and are absolutely problem free. Just think of the fuel that I have saved over the past nine years. It really saved my money and it did not go to the fuel producers. Don't let the winter fuel economy worry anyone, it makes up for it in the summer.