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Toyota Camry Hybrid, Fuel Efficiency (MPG)
#974 of 1005 TCH Battery Pack & ECU (invert/conv) Warranty, Longevity, Replacement Cost?
Feb 08, 2013 (7:58 am)
I have a 2007 TCH in very good condition with 85+K mi (original owner). I would like to keep the car another 2-3 years and or another 25-40K mi, but I'm concerned and confused as to Toyota's standard warranty for the replacement cost at the dealer if the battery pack (BP) and/or ECU fails when the car is out of warranty. I have heard differing #'s regarding Toyota's standard warranty for their hybrid vehicles for the BP and the ECU (inverter/converter unit), but most quote the following: 8 years or 100,000 miles (whichever comes first). Also, Ive heard/read the out of pocket replacement costs can be quite high for the BP and or the ECU---anywhere from $2,500 --> $5,500+ for each item
1) Is the TCH warranty for the BP and the ECU given in the above correct (8 yrs and/or 100K mi)? If not what is it?
2) What are the out of pocket replacement costs (parts and labor) for the BP and ECU at a Toyota DLR?
3) What is the usual (and range) longevity for the BP and ECU for the TCH and Prius?
Your experience and comments would be helpful and appreciated.
#975 of 1005 Re: 2012 Campry -poor MPG [ctobo]
Feb 21, 2013 (5:48 am)
I am experiencing a very similar problem with my 2012 TCH XLE. The car was purchased in April 2012. It currently has 14,000 miles. When we hit the 9-10,000 miles mark the gas mileage dropped considerably...we went from the 40mpg range down to the 32-34mpg. The most recent was 32.2mpg. MPG calculations are actual, not the display. We have the same driver and geographic location. I would like to be a bit smarter about what can cause this before I push the issue with a dealer. Does anyone know if there is an avenue to question Toyota about this? I can't find anything on their website. Thanks.
#976 of 1005 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid XLE
Mar 19, 2013 (4:11 pm)
I commute to Brooklyn daily from LI about 15 miles each way and my overall avg is 31.6. I am not a lead foot on the Belt Pkway or elsewhere for that matter. I also feel overall disappointed with the mileage and I have about 8,000 miles on it. When I asked the dealer, they said it needed to "break in"- i also have not been able to find out why it is so low on any websites. Any suggestions?
#977 of 1005 Re: 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid XLE [endonurse]
Mar 20, 2013 (11:32 am)
we have also done research - our situation is that we had BETTER mileage the first 3000 miles while it was breaking in..then we dropped 30% efficiency from almost 40 mpg to 31 mpg and NO ONE has an answer. I an the only driver, my job location has not changed, I drive the same now as when I first purchased. The local svc mgr is blaming the weather and the grade of gas (Winter blend) so I am waiting a month or two more and then planning another visit to toyota - VERY DISAPPOINTED to say the least
#978 of 1005 Re: 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid LE [ctobo]
Mar 24, 2013 (1:34 pm)
I bought a 2012 TCH a few weeks ago and have already been to the Toyota dealer about my low 36 mpg on 2 tanks of gas. He was puzzled and showed me the different gauges to use to "teach me" how to drive the car for better mpg. Tried slow starts, coasting when I can, paying attention to the gauges,etc. Mechanic said there is no break-in period for these cars. At my next fill-up, still got the same mpg - no change. I'm so disappointed - I expect at least 41 mpg as advertised (43 city 39 hgwy). I don't smell gas fumes. Reading others' comments, I'm worried that my mpg will drop even further. I'll be back to the Toyota dealer to complain but not hopeful on a resolution. Next step would then be to contact Toyota directly if no improvement.
#979 of 1005 Cold weather affects MPG
Mar 27, 2013 (6:00 pm)
For those who are expecting year-round consistent MPG performance from their TCH, let me inform thee thusly:
It Ain't Happnin.
I have owned a 2007 TCH since June 2006 (almost 7 years, wow !!) and I can tell you that cold weather negative affects hybrids, as well as most non-hybrid cars.
Short trips don't get the catalytic converter warmed up enough, and the HSD system in the Toyota hybrids will not function at full efficiency until the engine is warmed up well.
You can Google the myriad of reasons why cold weather kills MPG, but in hybrids it's more of a problem. You just have to deal with it.
Enjoy the year-round AVERAGE MPG more, and worry less about cold weather MPG.
Happy Hybriding !!!
#980 of 1005 Dramatic drop in Cruising Range
Mar 28, 2013 (3:51 am)
I first purchased my 2012 XLE Hybrid on Dec. 31st 2012. It had 100 miles on it. I filled it up like 4 times since I bought it. The first 2 tankfuls when I filled up showed a cruising range of 610-620 miles; give or take. The next two showed around 521. On fueleconomy's website it shows a full tank mileage at 612 which is right on with my first couple fill-ups.
I called my Toyota service guy and he said it could be many things--the car learning my driving habits and gas companies starting to switch to the non-winter blend of gas. I know cold weather affects mpg, but the weather hasn't gotten that much colder from Dec. to now here in Chicago. When I did the math on my last fill up, my mpg coincides with the 521 range so I guess it is correct. It just seems like such a dramatic drop in range from the first two fill-ups.
#981 of 1005 Re: Cold weather affects MPG [larsb]
Mar 28, 2013 (5:51 am)
This makes sense, unfortunately..... we have cold winters here and still are, as we speak. I've noticed that when I do a highway trip (usually 1/2 hr to an hr), then drive on side roads, my mpg gauge shows around 40 - 41 mpg average which is much better than I usually get without any highway trips. I'll wait for spring/summer to see if my average goes up.
#982 of 1005 you think you're getting bad mileage
Apr 18, 2013 (11:44 am)
I bought a 2011 Camry hybrid in 3/11. I was getting average of 40 mpg in good weather and about 30-35 in colder weather the first year and a half. In 11/12 I noticed a major drop to 17 mpg! I figured I had calculated wrong and calculated again the next time I filled up. Still 17 mpg. I went to my dealership in 2/13 and was told "the computer on the car says nothing is wrong." Isn't that when humans are supposed to take over? Guess not. The service manager, who is always nasty and adversarial, was yelling in my face, and I told him to literally and figuratively back off. He said it's because it's cold out. I told him it was a very warm winter. He said "I beg to differ." It's a phrase he uses a lot. I'm in Chicago, which had its 10th warmest winter on record in 142 years. And I was getting in 30+ mpg the winter before which was much like this past winter. I called a national Toyota number. I was told to keep a journal of fill ups and mileage for two months, and a district manager would come take a look. That two months is up and I have called the dealership (Unfortunately, that's how it works. I have to work through the same dealership who blew me off.) My mileage goes up and down. As low as 15 mpg today, and as "high" as 27 mpg last week. It still is so low it doesn't even register on the Eco Level display on the dashboard. My 2004 non-hybrid Camry gets 27 mpg. Something is very wrong, and it's not just because it was winter.
#983 of 1005 2007 CH going strong
May 03, 2013 (4:18 am)
I also might note that if you read all the messages until around page 98, most are positive, and the mileage posted seemed reasonable. That's right around the time that a certain couple of cars were being blasted for mileage claims. This is my recent experience with our old CH, the first CH produced. I've driven this car a fair amount, but never this long a trip. Indeed, the average MPG drop for our cold weather months is around 2-4 mpg. Once it got over 50 degrees this spring, the mileage went up rapidly, even before I took the aggressive snow tires off.
Remember this, I live in the hills and mountains. We had a 290 mile plus trip, 3 interstates, up steep and rolling grades. We left at 7 AM for a training appointment in Connecticut.
At the end of the day, I had achieved 37.6 mpg on the "liar" meter. Tank was reading roughly half.
I filled the car at 510 miles, and put 13.4 gallons in it. I typically fill after the shutoff, which in this case was an extra .7 gallons.
On the way back, it's more uphill and steeper grades, and I was in more of a hurry to get home. The end reading at my driveway was 36.7 mpg.
My driving style is fast, but conservative on gas. On the way down I went 70/75. On the way back I went 80/85, down to 70 uphill.
Now tell me about the EPA stickers and how cars react. I didn't baby it, but I don't drive like a dead weight either. I have no problem getting 36 combined out of this old car at all. There is one company who's cars I have driven where the spa ratings are so off as to be pretty ridiculous, total fabrications actually.
I tire of the "you need to know how to drive" excuses. Yes, many people keep their foot on the gas too much. But not testers that are trying to achieve a figure and due their best to practice it.
The new Camry Hybrid should be doing much better than this car, especially in the around town loops. Again, no problem meeting or exceeding their sticker ratings. Only one brand consistently fails by a huge margin to equal their epa ratings. (that I know of).
There is a definitive contrast in both the tone and the MPG reports this year versus the previous SIX years on the Camry Hybrids. There is also a huge difference between the tone and MPG reports on the Ford hybrid forums this year compared with previous years. But there is one thing that makes sense. People are in fact buying a tons of Fusion and CMax hybrids because of the 47/47/47 sticker ratings. As always, your mileage may vary