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Replying to: larsb (Feb 05, 2009 7:11 am) |
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orly1, please check your CarSpace e-mail. I sent you a contact who might be able to help you.
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Before winter hit, with 13000+ on the clock I added up all the miles, and all the gallons and did the math. 41 MPG overall average for warm weather driving. Pretty darn good for a car that is only supposed to get 34 highway. My cold weather driving has dropped down to roughly 33 MPG, but then again I drive like its a regular car and skip all the P&G and other hybrid tricks. This doesn't surprise me however, I expected the drop when winter hit, and it pretty much matches what I had with the Prius I had. Warm weather was 51 and cold was 41. If I drive it in hybrid style I can get it up to roughly 35 MPG in the cold, but I normally don't have the time to do it in the mornings getting to work, but I do on the way home, and that is what is getting me the 33MPG. My morning trip is roughly 30 MPG on the display, and 36 on the way home. On a tank to tank basis, the average tank came out to 38 MPG in the summer, with some in the 40's, enough of them to get me to 41 MPG overall. My winter is getting me between 31 and 35 MPG per tank, depending on how cold it is. |
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I will follow up to what others and I have said here. A key element is the length of the trip. I have an '08 TCH, and have quite consistently gotten roughly 24-25 MPG in winter (20's to 40's), but this is partly because my main daily driving is a 15-20 min city commute, w/only 5 miles of often slow highway driving. This is not enough, or barely enough, time for the car to warm up, so it essentially never gets out of gas mode. Everyone who posts these winter mileage estimates should state their average trip length, and whether it is highway or stop/go. Unless my car is a lemon (and I can get 35-40 in summer on the highway), I think it is hard to break 30 MPG (and I've never been close) on cold, 15 min city trips. On another matter, I have never completely understood the "pulse-glide" technique. I have tried, but slow down too much on the glide and then end up having to press the gas too much on the pulse, and mileage degrades! How long is each phase? 1 second? 10? I don't think I am doing it right. Thanks. Macolyte |
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Replying to: sgoodman (Feb 12, 2009 10:02 am) |
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Replying to: larsb (Feb 05, 2009 11:37 am) I have been watching this with interest. Hope to see the results soon. I can't imagine not being able to match the new EPA levels. When I traded at 67,000 miles my lifetime FE was over 37 and that is in the hills of WV. I wish I was closer to Cleveland as I would love to drive a car someone says has something wrong.
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Replying to: wvgasguy (Feb 13, 2009 8:45 am) there is more than one person on this forum that has posted very disappointing FE and got the "run around from toyota" - they just seem to give up. thanks to larsb pep talk, i hope i will have the energy to pursue this further. the contact has emailed me and has offered to meet and drive the car with a "scanguage". that is very nice since i have no other way at present to tell whether it is the car or the driver. what car did you trade at 37? mine is 09 TCH. |
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Replying to: sgoodman (Feb 12, 2009 10:02 am) is that "mac lover" - because i am also mac user. i have seen some of your earlier posts, when you first got the car and were stuggling to get EPA. as per request, my length of trips ARE short, during the winter. and cdn_tch did explain the concept to me that even though the dial "looks as if" the car is warmed up it must still cycle in and out of ICE (post #823) he also accepts 10 MPG less during winter. consistently gotten roughly 24-25 MPG in winter (20º s to 40º s) sounds like me, only i've gotten these numbers regardless of temps. your car sounds like mine, however i would not have purchased based on these numbers. in earlier posts, i have stated that from time to time the MFD will read between 35 - 40, usually right after fill up on a 30 minute plus drive. then back to city and mileage creeps back down to below 30 tank average. i've been ill this past week so i have not contacted GM at purchase location as suggested. will keep posting. frankly all these posts that claim they are getting above EPA "without even trying" are beginning to depress me. (jealousy) thanks for your interest. at least they posted my review on edmund's  i just heard a line in a t.v. show making fun of people who believe in the EPA estimates, saying that "EPA is just a number to get you in the car and take a test drive" so that you will then base you purchase on more/other factors - MY BIGGEST deciding factor was a belief in EPA estimates and blogs, media and other "PRO FE" propaganda. good night macolyte
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Replying to: orly1 (Feb 14, 2009 11:01 pm) In all fairness to Toyota, a handfull of people that don't get EPA results are not something that giant corporations would address. I realize there are a few people with your results but Toyota has sold thousands x thousands of hybrids. I'm sure for every legitimate complaint like yours that is still probably an environmental issue rather than a flaw that they have 100 people complain that simply do not know how to drive the TCH. I believe the new EPA numbers really reflect the results of a drive run where the averages is of someone who does not maximize the advantages of the hybrid system. Like all things it may not be a fit for all circumstances and your may be one. I don't remember seeing it posted but what did you drive in the past in similar situations and waht milage did you achieve as compared to the EPA? Cold, short trips would have easily dropped your results on your previous vehicle too. My son got 32 mpg one time with a load of kids, my wife would get 35. I always would get 38+. Those differences though only amount to 10% differences i just heard a line in a t.v. show making fun of people who believe in the EPA estimates, saying that "EPA is just a number to get you in the car and take a test drive" so that you will then base you purchase on more/other factors - MY BIGGEST deciding factor was a belief in EPA estimates and blogs, media and other "PRO FE" propaganda. The EPA is only a "relative" number I ever used. I typically would average about 10% above the city number. The ad's today of 17 to 25 mpg are interesting but my experinece was that I would get about 19 on average with an EPA like that. The tests are accurate for the most part. They try to require a consistant test so that people can compare. However many people never get EPA on any of their cars and some average near the top consistantly. I know I had an Infiniti FX45 and averaged 16 mpg and NEVER got over 17. Then as part of a maintenance service they picked up my car (nice service since I lived 100 miles away) I decided to check my car. I figured some kid would pick it up and hot rod it so I reset everything. To my surprise a nice older gentleman picked it up and when he got back I saw that he averaged 18.5 for the trip. I would have swore it was impossible to get that type of milage. |
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I have always wondered why 3/4 ton and up trucks didn't get EPA numbers, and I think it is so they don't embarrass the 1/2 ton trucks.  I had an F150, it got 13 MPG, no matter how I drove it. I now have an F350 Dually Crew Cab diesel, it gets 14 on a bad day and 22 on the highway. It weighs twice as much as the F150, it twice the size, and gets much better MPG. Makes one wonder eh? I have an 08 Veracruz, it gets better than EPA rated Highway, but just below EPA city, at least in winter. The Camry averages 44 MPG Summer, but 32 winter, the Prius 51 summer 42 winter. It is all in how you drive it, where you live, and the weather conditions. The EPA is only so you will have an idea of what you may get when driving.
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