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hello cdn tch, thanks for the reply. are you talking to me? i really don't know what i'm looking at. if it helps improve performance - i'll bite. here's my REAL problem. i made my purchase based on advertising, media forums and blogs and EPA MPG estimates all of which promise a return on investment through gas savings. another thread HERE http://townhalltalk.edmunds.com/WebX/.f0dc3d7/530!make=Toyota&model=Camry%20Hybr- id&ed_makeindex=.f0dc3d7 doesn't seem to have a single post about real world estimates being consistently off. there is always someone to correct the math... so if my numbers are 26/28 cty/hwy (rarely reaching 31 MPG) aren't i consistently 25% under EPA estimate? plain and simple, i never would have bought this car if Toyota had said "your EPA MAY vary up to 25%, we don't guarantee performance nor assist customers with poor MPG performance" HERE's a suggestion... someone should track these LOW MPG claims and invent a "do-hicky" that can attach to the car to distinguish between driver error and true car performance under average conditions. What's my next step - other people who post with this issue seem to just give up 
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Replying to: orly1 (Feb 04, 2009 12:25 pm) Next step: You really need to find a local hypermiler who can test your car. There is something wrong with the HSD system in your car only if that person cannot do what they think they can do with the MPG. If you were in Phoenix with your car, I could answer that question in less than an hour. I don't want to downplay your issue in the least, but it's really not rocket science: Either your car's HSD system CAN perform properly and there is nothing wrong with the car, or it cannot perform properly and there IS something wrong with the car. Some further interrogation: What kind of display system do you have - the digital system in the middle stereo area, or just the basic one that comes with the normal display cluster? Do you notice the car moving into electric mode (called E-Mode ) when it is warmed up, and the battery charge is good, and speeds are below 42 miles per hour? Are most or all of your daily trips very short, and/or on dirt or gravel roads or in very hilly areas? Do you have the original OEM tires on the car, inflated to at least 32 PSI each? Have you learned the "feathering" trick to force the car into E-Mode? Does the gas engine shut off at red lights? If you are running the heater all the time, and your trips are short and in cold weather, you will definitely see lower MPG because of those factors. |
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dear larsb and cdn tch, thanks for replies, i know you are busy. will post again later. larsb, many of your questions are already answered in previous post #825, #826. i learned a lot from both cnd tch and larsb earlier posts B.M.  (Before Me). larsb - you have a killer sense of humor, and cnd tch - you are very nice (must be canadien? in answer to unanswered questions, have MFD that comes with car. don't drive on gravel... yes weather (snow) plays factor. but as i said in previous post problem has existed since purchase in june 08. also just had car checked by dealer including psi. already agreed with "hypermiler" idea in concept - but where does a single mom with few connections find such a person? i suggested toyota take claim seriously and play "hypermiler". also agree and see the merit of you both patiently repeating some of the most obvious aspects which affect performance because MPG questions come up repeatedly and people can't search through all posts. perhaps one of your questions will turn up user error  meanwhile, i'm just glad i'm not receiving the amazingly hostile comments the two honda hybrid guys are getting. people overwhelmingly conclude the drivers are at fault and call them complete idiots based ONLY on the fact that they managed to get EPA estimates. neither of you two have "downplayed my issue", however this forum certainly does... but larsb please explain why the "burden of proof" as to whether my car's HSD system CAN perform properly and there is nothing wrong with the car, or it cannot perform properly and there IS something wrong with the car falls on the consumer of a very new MSRP car? am i just being naive? should i know the answer? is it buyer beware.... i sure expected better from Toyota. thanks to you both. i'm not giving up so easily, i will follow every suggestion in hope to either improve mileage or "prove" to Toyota the HSD is not working properly and THEY need to get involved. larsb, you've been here longer. do you know of ANY instance where Toyota has corrected a mileage issue with Hybrid Vehicle? (also asked in previous post) where's my "hypermiler"? any volunteers? my son just said "that's a horribly LONG post"!  YES IT IS! Because i feel horribly upset and horribly helpless.
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I purchased my TCH in early November and have put on almost 6K miles to date. In New England we have had our share of snow and consistently cold weather. My average city/highway is about 60/40. I have been averaging about 36 mpg according to the car computer. This past weekend there was a bit of a warming up into the 40's. On a highway trip back from New Jersey I averaged 41 mpg. Ergo, warmth, flat highways and driving steadily at the speed limit produces much improved mileage. We have experienced colder weather this week and my tank average is down to 36.5. Hybrids are like humans, we don't enjoy the cold. |
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many posts to read, totally agree about weather.. my real world numbers have been consistently 26/28 tank ave since june 08. sometimes reaching 31 MPG. would be thrilled with you numbers, simply satisfied with EPA |
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Replying to: orly1 (Feb 03, 2009 3:55 pm) There are too many variables to deal with in normal stop and go driving to ever know for sure what accounts for mileage. Highway driving, on a level road and at a set speed, eliminates all that. Good luck. |
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thanks lzc, i do understand the necessity of repeating some of the obvious tips, since same questions are repeated some of the "try first" tips come up also. thanks for caring enough to reply. of course, i have already set cruise control to 65 and driven 30 + miles on level light traffic. once my MFD displays 26 tank ave., even a trip like this does not produce EPA. can anyone direct me to a member who sells Toyota Hybrids and might give me tips on how to get dealer/customer service to get involved? since car checks out o.k. on dealer computer Toyota response has been "car working according to expectations" nothing more they will do. Future Replies: Please try to click on orly1 and read previous posts before suggesting "new tip" thanks for your interest
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Replying to: orly1 (Feb 05, 2009 6:58 am) Don't get too hung up on the "tank average" when you are doing these tests. When you got the advice on the hwy test, he was not talking about a TANK AVERAGE, he was talking about looking at the REAL-TIME MPG meter and making sure that you are around 40+ MPG when you are at about 65 and on a flat surface. Search YouTube for "camry hybrid" and watch the video I posted about "48 MPG at 77 MPH" to see what I mean. Where do you live? I'm going to try and find a hypermiler in your area to test your car for you.
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Replying to: larsb (Feb 05, 2009 7:11 am) i think you are talking about watching big dial rather than MFD. why not trust MFD display? always hovers between 26/28. rarely hits 31 since purchase. am i calculating AVE MPG wrong by believing MFD? live in cleveland, ohio area. Future Replies: Please try to click on green orly1 and read previous posts before suggesting "new tip" thanks for your interest just to repeat, i would be content with close to EPA estimates. NOT expecting my particular vehicle to ever give me the high end numbers being posted on forum. |
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