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Re: Not Convinced [mz3s] by wvgasguy
Jun 23, 2008 (4:51 am)
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Replying to: mz3s (Jun 18, 2008 6:37 am)

Better mileage and all is great, but why should I have to sacrifice my driving style to get the numbers? Even without changing your "style" I'll bet the TCH is significantly better OVERALL than your Mazda.
 
I'm not a hypermiler, but not a nut either. I don't see the benefit of adding complexity to my car, paying more for it, and having to putt putt it everywhere pissing off other drivers for the extra mileage. And its not that much given that i drive normally. If other drivers get "ticked" at me because I've decided to start obeying the law (speed limit) well that's something I'll just have to live with. As for benefit, saving thousands of dollars is a benefit. For me, I can afford to drive a gas hog, but why waste money when I can use that money elsewhere more wisely.
 
The US attitude will be forced to change, soon I believe. It won't make a lot of people happy but it will happen.
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New 2009 Camry Hybrid mileage by miser_man
Jun 23, 2008 (5:31 pm)
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I am the new owner of a 09 TCH and after 1,600kms I have already beat the dealer posted mileage of 5.7 l/100km (50 mpg). I couldn't be happier! The 4WD Tundra I returned to the dealer averaged 16.5 mpg on average, so a 2/3 reduction in my gas bill will save me roughly $450/month! I went through many posts on this site in the days up to buying the car, and learned about P+G, and regen braking, so it came fairly easy once I was behind the wheel. I drive on primarily flat land, with a couple of hills each day (live in the Niagara escarpment in Ontario, Canada).
 
I have noticed that my regen component varies wildly from day to day on the same altitude change, and wonder if anyone has a good idea of the best regen technique? Do I coast down the hill (about 2km long at 6% grade), riding the brakes to keep my speed at the limit, or should I take a back road down the same hill that is much steeper and requires severe brake riding?
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Re: New 2009 Camry Hybrid mileage [miser_man] by sgoodman
Jun 23, 2008 (6:26 pm)
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Replying to: miser_man (Jun 23, 2008 5:31 pm)

Delighted that you are happy, and your new mileage is good, but not as good as you report. 5.7 liters/100 KM corresponds to 1.5 gallons/60 miles = 40 MPG, which is what you should get on the open road. The dealer rating is 34 MPG highway. 50 MPG is what a few hypermilers claim, but 38-43 is what most normal folks achieve. But that's good.
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Re: New 2009 Camry Hybrid mileage [sgoodman] by cdn_tch
Jun 23, 2008 (6:35 pm)
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Replying to: sgoodman (Jun 23, 2008 6:26 pm)

5.7l/100km = 49.5 mpg (imperial) = 41.2 mpg (US)
 
1 gal (US) = 3.785l
1 gal (Imp) = 4.54l
 
Standards are wonderful! So many to choose from
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Re: New 2009 Camry Hybrid mileage [cdn_tch] by sgoodman
Jun 23, 2008 (6:53 pm)
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Replying to: cdn_tch (Jun 23, 2008 6:35 pm)

Hmmm. Looks like US standards get us less every day!
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Gallons and gallons! by miser_man
Jun 24, 2008 (4:49 pm)
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Yah I said I lived in Canada, so I of coursewas talking Imperial gallons. But don't feel too bad about your US standards: we are paying $1.34 per litre; about $5.09 a US gallon, so you may get 20 % less in your gallon, but you sure have cheaper gas than we do!
 
Does anyone know anything about the throttle algorithm that determines when the gas engine should start. Toyota could sure improve this car by giving the driver some different modes to choose from: how about a sport/econo switch on the dash to vary the travel on the accelerator before the ICE kicks in. I find that its really tempermental; I would like to be able to just push it down and have the battery run me up to its max speed (assuming its safe to do so).
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Re: Not Convinced [wvgasguy] by grg
Jun 24, 2008 (5:15 pm)
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Replying to: wvgasguy (Jun 23, 2008 4:45 am)

Hey wvgasguy,
I remember when I first got my TCH nearly 2 years ago, I who live in Colorado, was comparing my mileage with your in West Virginia. Now, the recent posts show much lower mileage. Are the newer TCH's engineered differently and getting worse mileage?
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Re: Lower MPG Using Mandatory Ethanol Blend [quixotic1] by lazarbeam
Jun 26, 2008 (10:28 am)
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Replying to: quixotic1 (May 07, 2008 9:20 am)

I am also a 2007 Hybrid Camry owner driving in South Florida that has always gotten between 34.4 and 37.6 MPG for the first 14,000 miles. This is not true with the last 4 tanks of gas. I now get around 29.2 MPG. I took the vehicle to Toyota and they say all is well, must be the Ethanol Blend. How can a 10% Ethanol blend cause a 17% reduction in MPG? This does not make sense. I would be better off with a 90% sized Gallon of real Gas.
I am still investigating the problem.
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Re: Lower MPG Using Mandatory Ethanol Blend [lazarbeam] by quixotic1
Jun 26, 2008 (10:48 am)
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Replying to: lazarbeam (Jun 26, 2008 10:28 am)

I went back to the dealer in Coral Springs and had my 25k oil change.
 
They showed me my air filter was terribly dirty and suggested I get the fuel injectors cleaned. I was dubious but allowed them to do the work. $200 for both. Presto! My mileage went back up while driving to NC. 40 mpg going 80 plus on ethanol blend. I am in NC now where they are not adding ethanol yet and the mileage seems consistent. I will give my report when I get back to the land of ethanol (S. Fl.)
 
You can change the air filter yourself I believe. Try that & see if it helps.
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Re: Not Convinced [grg] by wvgasguy
Jun 30, 2008 (5:07 am)
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Replying to: grg (Jun 24, 2008 5:15 pm)

Are the newer TCH's engineered differently and getting worse mileage?
 
They should be the same. My guess is that the early buyers were those of us who were obsessed ;o) and the later buyers are made up of a large group of people that want better gas milage now that prices are higher and don't necessarily want to change their driving habits. Not true for all of them but for a lot of them because they say so in these postings.
 
I had to drive a lot more this past winter, my wife now drives the TCH daily for 50 to 80 miles. My lifetime FE is now standing at 37.3, mostly from what I can see is due to her driving the majority of miles. I can generally do 2 mpg better than her.
 
Thus where I get 37 to 39, she gets 35 to 37. I'm guessing most drivers are like her, they make some changes but are not willing to "lear" the system, they just want to drive. That's OK, but it can and will cost you a couple of mpg's. It's not a lot of money or gas so why worry.
 
The EPA ratings simply reflect a new testing mode and there is no difference in the car. Where as I could meet the EPA numbers before, I simply exceed them now. They are just a relative base for judging against other cars so as long as I know what "type" of driver I am I should be able to exceed EPA now by 10 to 15% no matter what I drive because of the way I drive.

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