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Hatchbacks Honda Fit Buy Now, Or Wait For the 2008 Fit?
95 messages, Last post on Jul 19, 2007 at 5:51 PM
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That's just insane, and with the oil companies making record breaking profits every year too! The more gas you use the more money the Gov't gets in taxes. It's not in their best interest to really make fuel efficient cars. But $4 a gallon is crazy! |
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Replying to: kipk (May 15, 2007 3:46 am) Were is my Stanley Steamer? Bubba 
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Replying to: stevecebu (May 15, 2007 4:41 am) 62+ MPG in U.S. real-world driving test loop (combination highway and city). Not bad for a car that weighs almost 30% more than the Fit. Imagine what mileage the Fit could achieve with a 1.3L or 1.5L turbo-diesel with 6 speed manual transmission!! Yes, they are coming to the U.S. now that Low-Sulfer diesel fuel has been mandated. With this new fuel blend, diesels can meet or exceed the very stringent California emissions requirements (which the proposed 2009 TDI Accord does!). So, expect to see a slew of new diesel engines in North America next year and thereafter. As Americans start transitioning from gasoline to diesel, the refineries should be able to ramp up production and eliminate or at least minimize the diesel to gasoline price premium. Yes, $4 gasoline is crazy, however how many of our family, friends, coworkers are making concrete plans to dump their V-8 and V-6 SUVs for hybrids, Fits, Toyotas, etc.? None that I personally know of. Only when and if we make serious changes to our gasoline consumption will prices be reduced long-term. Day-long fuel boycotts don't work (urban myth), only serious long-term consistent fuel demand reduction is effective. Case in point, my mother in law needs a new car, she wants an SUV, I tried to steer her (no pun intended) toward a Pontiac Vibe (Toyota Matrix) which has a 4 cylinder and achieves "acceptable" mileage. Well, she went and looked at one, said it was too small, not enough room in the back seat, cheap interior. So, now she is buying a used Chevy Equinox (AWD with V6) which will only net her 15-20MPG (the Vibe would have gotten 25-32MPG). Understand she is a widow, has no family to drive around, so 99% of her driving is ALONE with no cargo and she does not tow a trailer/boat. Perfect example of the "herd mentality" that is spoon fed to the sheeple from advertisers (SUVs are cool, everyone is driving them, why aren't you?). I parked my Ford F150 Ex Cab 4x4 last Summer when I took delivery of my Fit 5 speed manual Sport. Never looked back... Seldom drive the truck unless absolutely necessary for hauling a heavy-dirty load. I have driven that truck less than 1000 miles in 12 months, the Fit, over 17,000 miles averaging 36MPG as compared to 14MPG for the truck. My wife drives an 04 Honda Oddy, again we limit how often that vehicle is used since it too is a fuel hog (18-22MPG) compared to the Fit. sorry for the long post/rant... I'll jump off my soapbox now 
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Replying to: tgun (May 15, 2007 5:46 am) We (American Drivers) are getting ourselves into a mess. Our guzzlers are beginning to really cost us, to drive, to a point that we are having to look at fuel as a real part of our monthly budget. We aren't about to stop driving or car pool or take mass transit, because our car is a way of life and represents freedom! We also have that "Bigger is Better" attitude. So just maybe we can destroy our self esteem, get rid of the 11-14 MPG Ford Expedition, and get something smaller and more economical to ride in by ourselves, back and forth to work and shopping. We try to trade and discover we are upside down several thousand dollars in the Expedition, due to long term financing we opted for to be able to pay the notes, and the LOW trade in value on the guzzler. We can't even sell it for what is owed, so we are forced to keep it. Even at $3 a gallon, it is cheaper than trading. Then in a heartbeat, gas goes to $4. Now the guzzler is worth even less and we have to decide between gas and food! On and On and On....! Oil companies don't care, as long as the profits keep rolling in! Auto manufacturers are going to keep raising the prices on the fuel efficient cars, because they have suddenly inherited a new market. Desperate people! Part of the "Econo Car" higher prices will be needed to offset the rebates they will be giving to get rid of the guzzlers they have built. Remember when the SUV craze really took off and all the manufactures scrambled to get a piece of that profitable action? I remember a fully loaded F150 extended cab being several thousand bucks less MSRP than an Explorer. Even though the F150 was larger and heavier and had a larger engine and heavier duty drive train. The SUVs were becoming KING and the manufacturers and dealers were enjoying huge profits. Then the 4 door luxury pickups. Ya da Ya da....! Same is likely to happen with the "ECONO CAR" mkt. Would not surprise me to see the Fit, Scion, and such, suddenly become $18K cars. Then up and up and up...JUST BECAUSE!  If fuel prices keep increasing, Chances are good, at the end of this model year, we will see really serious rebates and incentives on unsold guzzler inventory. Good time to buy one, if we need one for towing and such! Kip |
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I will try and answer both excellent comments in one post. The rip-off companies that overcharge for gas should be boycotted. There is no excuse fro $4.50 per gallon gas. I didn't see the press release but I will believe; and affordable Honda diesel when i can but it for MSRP or less in the showroom of a nearby dealership and I'm not even from Missouri. I sure would like to see an Accord and Fit diesel. I fear the prices would be pricing it out of the range of most people tho. Regarding the elimination of driving bigger is better cars. well what can you do. People buy cars for so many reasons. Where I used to live you really needed a 4x4 in the winter, one year I decided to drive my Miata all winter long. It's ok on mileage and with Nokian tires it was great. But some days I had to stay home due to the streets being unplowed. If you are up in the mountains and get a lot of snow you need a 4x4 or AWD. IF you get a lot of snow and need to drive to work. Sadly we get enough snow that you need one part time and not the rest of the time. I see no reason why Toyota can't put their Turbo diesel from the Hi-Lux into the RAV4. That would give people snow capability and room for a family and cargo but with superior economy. That is a compromise because the soccer moms who want the high visibility will at least have better MPG with a diesel in their SUV. I have 3 kids all grown now and you sometimes do need a big vehicle. But for most things you don't, hence the Fit. I've been upside down is several cars I've owned so been there done that. I had to explain that to my wife while typing this. But the car companies are going to make what people will buy and people will buy what is marketed to them. Lots of diesel cars could be brought in with low sulphur fuel the norm, but it won't happen until people just stop buying the guzzlers, as you say. I will probably be back in the car market before I can buy a 50 state diesel and that's going to be tough. I need snow capability and I need to only buy 1 car. A Fit diesel is high on my list but there are some other cars that I like and am looking at as well. Not as good economy but gotta make sure the asawa doesn't slide off the roads and crack up a new car so an AWD or 4x4 is also a consideration as are the rather hilly area we will be living in. factor everything in and a diesel Fit with slightly higher ground clearance an on demand 4WD system since when it's shut off you get 2WD economy would probably be the ideal car. I know they will never build cars like that for American but i'd hate to buy an SUV just for 3 months of snow and yet I need it then. I think the Fit will be ok in the mountains but economy is less on all vehicles. My Miata was fine, so the Fit should be ok. Americans will not give up the big guzzlers including SUV's Trucks and Sports cars for better fuel economy but they most likely will not use them as daily drivers either. If a Honda or any other reasonable diesel is out in the next 12-14 months I will probably buy it. Fuel is climbing upwards with no end in sight. Also I want to add that diesel here is much cheaper than Gasoline. I know in the US right now diesel costs more than premium fuel! The answer is small diesel cars and they are already available in other countries. Too bad they aren't in the US yet. I want to be ale to buy a diesel car that gets 62 mpg real world. If it's a Honda or Toyota even better.
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Replying to: stevecebu (May 15, 2007 9:37 am) Good post! I want one of those 62 MPG vehicles too!
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Replying to: stevecebu (May 15, 2007 4:41 am) The more gas you use the more money the Gov't gets in taxes. It's not in their best interest to really make fuel efficient cars. But $4 a gallon is crazy! If I understand it correctly, the voters of California voted to pass a tax on gas to the tune of about 25 cents a gallon and that was years ago. It was to cover the costs of repair to roads damaged by earthquakes etc. Fit drivers save at the tank at every fill. It is the best way to boycott oil companies in my opinion, when you cannot afford to ride your bike.
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Replying to: johnnyvj (May 10, 2006 10:53 am) HondaPreview.com 2008 and beyond * 2008 Honda Fit 1 more year. Yes we said 1 more year until the full model change of this very popular yet low production vehicle. Don't expect any major changes to this entry level vehicle for 08. The 2007 build-out is for August arrival vehicles so expect 2008 models to begin arriving in September. What you will see new for 2008 will be a few new colors. Look for Tidewater Blue Metallic (Base and Sport) and Blackberry Pearl (Sport Only). All interior colors will come with Black interiors. Taffeta White and Lunar Mist Metallic will be discontinued. Tire Pressure Monitors Systems will be standard equipment. 2009 Honda Fit Full model change Possible diesel engine Increase in horsepower Armrest! |
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Replying to: fitluver (May 17, 2007 7:35 pm) It is the best way to boycott oil companies in my opinion, when you cannot afford to ride your bike. I have a bad back and can't ride a bike anymore with or without an engine. Best way to hurt the oil companies is to buy a diesel car which will get 50mpg like the new Accord! Too bad Honda won't put a diesel in a Fit.
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