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#973 of 5646 it's like this...
Jul 31, 2006 (10:51 am)
It was said, “If you’re buying a Toyota, buyer beware” Hello! Buyer beware should be applied to EVERYTHING you buy, and all the time. The following has also been said, but I’m really surprised by the number of people who don’t satisfactorily research or road test a vehicle (second biggest purchase most people ever make!), then later complain about something of which they should have been fully aware???
I was a Toyota technician, service advisor, service manager from 1982 to 1999, and my wife has been a Toyota CR and office manager for more than two decades. The complaints on here do not represent the masses; you’ll never please 100% of the people 100% of the time – no matter what you do. Toyota does better than most. In a recent post, when the customer didn’t want to hear that the I4 automatic Camry was operating as designed, Toyota replaced the transmission, and guess what, the car behaved exactly the same, and the customer still trashes Toyota; know what you’re buying! If you don’t want the shifting, buy a vehicle with a higher torque to weight ratio, or get a vehicle with a CVT!
I remember when Camry came out in 1983, with the little 13” wheels, and the hunting transmission and cruise that wouldn’t hold speed – there were lots of those complaints. I remember what Toyota suggested as a response: “Isn’t great though when you fill up your tank and you realize how far you’ve gone on so little gas? Your car does this shifting because it’s trying to always be in the most fuel efficient gear – that’s how you get X mpg”. A similar explanation was given for the cruise losing speed on hills; they lose speed on hills because of lack of torque in a small engine, but the transmissions weren’t as busy as today’s. That said - comparing vehicles from year to year is apples to oranges by the way - the same basic situation exists. The 2007’s CD. Of .28 is far better than previous models, but you’re still trying to move 3300+ lbs. with 2.4 liters, on 87 octane, and get the best performance/gas mileage possible, a very TALL order. The engine must always be at what the engineers have determined optimal rpm’s, given the conditions, to get the best mpg = busy shifting. The “conditions” are determined on the fly via software, which explains why perceived “problems” vary with different driving situations. With every movement of the gas pedal, input from road speed, engine temp. ambient temp. air flow meter sensor, present gear/lock up convertor, and probably more that I’m forgetting, are considered before your car reacts. These cars aren’t responsive, but they’re performing the way they were designed. I didn’t experience the flare or spike some describe when I drove it. Can a software upgrade be done? Quite possibly, but with 9.8 to 1 compression, any real performance changes could require a bump in required fuel octane. Remember, this slight delayed response is in part the fuel system giving the engine fuel in a slightly more gradual way, rather than the immediate and wasteful blast of fuel like older less sophisticated systems did; this reduces emissions (carbon dioxide), something we should all be very concerned about, and it increases mpg.
We have driven the I4 camry and my wife plans to get one soon. We’re aware of the performance issues, we may accept them, or we may get the 5 spd manual.
Of all the I4 automatic camrys sold, Toyota has had very few transmission performance complaints, and there are no new manufacturers as was previously stated. Other carmakers are hearing complaints about drive-by-wire electronic transmissions too, maybe that’s why CVTs are growing in popularity…give me a manual anyday.
Lastly, remember, unlike most manufacturers, Toyota tries to look for, investigate, understand, and resolve problems before the NHTSA even gets involved. I’m not “pro” Toyota, but they are poised to take over the number one auto manufacturer spot, and it’s not by accident. We own a 2001 Tacoma S-Runner and 3 BMWs.
#974 of 5646 Re: it's like this... [mov4wrd]
Jul 31, 2006 (11:51 am)
Nice speach not convinced at all, My camry is terrible and i get worse and worse gas mileage. My wife new honda accord get about 8 to 10 mpg than mine.
#975 of 5646 Re: it's like this... [damon34]
Jul 31, 2006 (12:33 pm)
Not convinced of what? I'm not telling you that you should feel a certain way, or that all Camrys are great, I'm just providing more information than has been available so that some may have a higher level of understanding. If you'd rather complain than try to understand, be my guest, but complaining while being mis or uninformed wastes everybody's time.
Either you didn't research your car, or you got one that really has problems; I would bet that it's the former.
Lastly, 4 cylinder Camrys are literally flying off the lot at our local dealer, if you hate yours so, SELL IT! Life is too short to hate what you drive, and there are people in line waiting to buy your car.
#976 of 5646 Re: it's like this... [mov4wrd]
Jul 31, 2006 (3:17 pm)
you've got a great handle.
some of the posters had no issue and then thousands of miles into ownership their situation became evident.
i don't believe for a moment these vehicles are performing as designed.
#977 of 5646 Re: it's like this... [user777]
Jul 31, 2006 (3:48 pm)
Good Evening everyone;
Well, I am going to add my 2 cents CDN to this discussion. I agree, that when buying a new car, take the time to drive it and remember how it drives and try to take away the "excitement" of the new car buying experience. We have a 2007 Camry V6SE and it shifts exactly like all other "drive by wire" automobiles that I own. I posted earlier that we got 37 miles to the gallon on a recent weekend trip and the car only has 2000 miles on it! If I want perforamce, I slap the shifter into manual mode and forget about 5th and 6th gears!
I don't know what else to say, we have owned Hondas(not as good as Nissan and Toyota) and this car is great! I never would buy a 4 cylinder Camry as what was stated is true, not enough of anything in the motor to make the drive enjoyable and as I have stated, the mileage on our V6 is as good.
Actually, we traded in a 2003 Corolla and this Camry, gets better gas mileage.
If the car doesn't perform like you think it should, SELL IT! It's a Toyota, and you will get a very good price for it and you can then buy something that you think suits your driving style.
Anyway, have a great day and don't loose any sleep over an automobile.
#978 of 5646 Re: it's like this... [user777]
Jul 31, 2006 (5:29 pm)
Aug 01, 2006 (5:04 am)
"Of all the I4 automatic Camrys sold, Toyota has had very few transmission performance complaints..."
How would you know this? Can you validate this assertion with proof? What would qualify as "very few"? Have you done a random survey of Toyota dealerships? Are there actual figures available from Toyota to confirm this? If so, that would be very helpful to those of us considering a purchase of a new Camry.
#981 of 5646 Re: Few complaints? [austinman7]
Aug 01, 2006 (8:10 am)
I know because as I mentioned, my wife has been customer relations manager for Toyota for more than two decades; she has viewed the complaints on the car (I don't have the details), we have thoroughly roadtested it, and she is still interested in getting one. However, we may wait to see what "alternate fuel" vehicles Toyota has for 08; I can already hear the complaints of ethanol fuel milage.
The car is not perfect; every engineering decision carries a compromise/trade-off. If you're interested in a car, go in knowing more than the salesman. Garner ALL the information you can from road test articles, consumer reports, road test one extensively, and make your own informed decision; anything less and you're setting yourself up for disappointments - like many of those describe in this forum.
#982 of 5646 Re: it's like this... [giantkiller]
Aug 01, 2006 (8:46 am)
see the link in this post:
gws, "Engine Hesitation (All makes/models)" #2277, 25 Nov 2005 1:35 pm
to my knowlege on Toyota vehicles, hesitation has been reported by owners of these toyota/lexus models:
(Sienna - I've seen a few postings...but not many)
Toureg and Passat I believe I've seen a few, also a few Honda, but you just don't see the frequency of posts (from owners) for these manufacturer's models.
This suggests some differences in DBW over direct-linkage, but what the owners report for the toyota/lexus vehicles is no hesitation to hesitation from barely noticeable to significant.