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#5595 of 5646 Re: 2007 Camry LE V4 - Replace Water Pump - Engine Coolant Seep [sdizdabest]
Mar 25, 2012 (3:50 pm)
Very easy to see the water pump on this car - right under the alternator. You would see two things - pink or red crystals on the bottom of the pump, and on the bottom of the hood, on the black hood liner, you would see a white spots right above the spot where the serpentine belt is. This would be from the leak (it drops onto the belt then is thrown up onto the bottom of the hood).
This coolant does not puddle on the garage floor - it turns to a solid (crystals).
Yes, on the 2007 I4 Camry, this is a problem area. Toyota is now using a different pump on this due to the many problems. It is covered under the 5 year, 60k mile powertrain warranty. Most failed before that point.
Consumer Reports is again spot on. This is a common problem, and it shows on their chart as a 1/2 black spot.
#5596 of 5646 Re: 2007 Camry LE V4 - Replace Water Pump - Engine Coolant Seep [mcdawgg]
Mar 25, 2012 (8:50 pm)
I am so happy to see the response to my question on this forum. I appreciate zaken1's detailed response on calculating the price to pay and the explanation of the V shaped engine. I always refer to the car as V4 and will stop doing that as it clearly shows that it's an I4.
Thanks a lot mcdawgg - I did follow your instructions and took a second look at the car and white stuff over the serpentine belt and some pink crystals as well.
So took it to the local dealer and had them run a pressure test and it failed. Then the service guy checked the water pump and he confirmed the leak and pointed the pink stuff.
The local mechanic wants $330 + tax for the water pump and labor and an additional $charge of 99 for coolant flush. The local mechanic said that coolant flush is required so that the old dirty coolant is removed from the radiator.
I called back the Toyota dealership and talked to the part guy - they sell the water pump kit that comes with a thermostat for $180 - this is original Toyota stuff. I will go back to the local mechanic and ask him to provide the details of the water pump and see if I can have him install the stuff, if I buy it from rockauto or some other local parts supplier.
This is the first major repair on this car not counting the 2 sets of tires, 2 sets of front brake pads and 3 sets of rear brake pads with a new rear brake rotor set that was installed 2 months ago. I am still happy with this car because it drives very smooth, absolutely no noise and feels like it is just off the showroom.
I will post my status back here tomorrow - and really appreciate all the help from the experts on this forum.
#5597 of 5646 Re: 2007 Camry LE V4 - Replace Water Pump - Engine Coolant Seep [sdizdabest]
Mar 26, 2012 (12:45 pm)
Thanks to zaken1 for the breakdown of the cost, I was able to shop around and get a better price. I got the water pump replaced this morning and here is what I paid:
-- labor for 1.8 hrs = $150
-- water pump = $85 + 7.75% tax
-- coolant = $25 + 7.75% tax
They applied an internet coupon for $20 - so that total was $260 including taxes. Thanks to the experts once again for all your help.
BTW - the mechanic who replaced the water pump mentioned that his 2008 Tundra's water pump broke, within the first year.
#5598 of 5646 Re: check engine light update code 2195 & 138 [chuck28]
Mar 30, 2012 (4:34 pm)
HI Zaken, here is the latest. Had wife take my car to my local mechanic. He tighten down 3 bolts on the manifold at 9 something torque and said bolts only turned about 10 degrees. He reset codes.
CHeck enginge light came back on while wife was driving about 6 hours later appox. 20 miles.
My mechanic siad he has not found leaks in manifold and he has been suggesting that I get new sensors from Toyota because he has had problems in the past with the aftermarket sensors and have found no problems when using Toyota sensors.
I would have to make an approx. $300 dollor investment in Toyota's sensors.
I always apeciate your advice and will wait to here from you.
Thanks again as always, chuck
#5599 of 5646 Re: check engine light update code 2195 & 138 [zaken1]
Mar 30, 2012 (6:12 pm)
Hi Zaken, wanted to also mention that I went to auto zone to have codes read and, only code P0138 came up not P2195 this time. Wondering if that means anything or can I anticipate P2195 ( fuel -ratio) to come back? Did the little bit of tightening of the manifold change things?
#5600 of 5646 Re: check engine light update code 2195 & 138 [chuck28]
Mar 30, 2012 (7:48 pm)
I don't know what to say about this. Didn't you use a Denso sensor? Denso is owned by Toyota; and I highly doubt that this sensor is any different from the one they sell in the "Toyota Genuine Parts" box. So how about this; explain to your mechanic that the prospect of a $300 investment would be potentially daunting; if it turned out to not correct the situation; but it would be worthwhile; if it worked. How certain is he that this will work; and will he back his claim with any guarantee of performance? If the two of you can agree to a mutually acceptable set of terms; then go for it. But if he will not stand behind his advice; then this is just a gamble. As the saying goes: "Talk's cheap." Are you a gambler?
#5601 of 5646 Re: check engine light update code 2195 & 138 [chuck28]
Mar 30, 2012 (7:54 pm)
If you originally changed both the font and rear sensor; this may mean that only the rear sensor is setting a code anymore. Either that; or the other code will appear later. I really can't say; but it would be nice if the front sensor doesn't throw codes anymore. That would also reduce the amount of your investment in a "gamble" to just the rear sensor.
#5602 of 5646 Re: check engine light update code 2195 & 138 [zaken1]
Mar 30, 2012 (10:11 pm)
Hi Zaken, thank you for your good advice. My my mechanic may have in the past mentioned a guarantee to me on the phone about using the Toyota sensors though sometimes his english could be broken. He speaks mostly Korean and sometime I have trouble hearing him on the phone. I will go visit him tomorrow and see what he will do.
I have had a couple of conversation with Denso and they also confirmed what you said about their sensors.
However the only thing the Tech wasn't able to confirm if the voltage or ohms ( sorry not sure of the right terminology) were the same. What do you think? Thanks again, chuck
#5603 of 5646 Re: check engine light update code 2195 & 138 [zaken1]
Mar 31, 2012 (9:23 am)
Hi Zaken, went to local mechanic this morning check codes and just 138 came up. History showd 2195 complete but 138 not complete and also showed on screen catlystic and evap though mechanic wasn't sure why that came up. He reset code. After 40 miles of driving this morning light back on went to auto zone and now both codes are showing up again.
All that being said I just noticed that the little metal flap that is at the fuel neck opening is missing. I allways thought there was one there. Can i be mistaken or can this be causing a evap problem and trigger the codes.
Just wondering, thanks chuck
#5604 of 5646 Re: check engine light update code 2195 & 138 [chuck28]
Mar 31, 2012 (1:13 pm)
Sorry; but I don't understand what the tech (who I assume is the person you spoke with at Denso) was trying to compare. If he was trying to compare the specs of the Toyota OEM sensor and the Denso aftermarket sensor, I would not be concerned with that. I expect your mechanic speaks from experience with sensors made by other companies; and has never compared the performance of a Denso sensor specified for this vehicle with the Toyota sensor. The language barrier also can be a significant obstacle and potential source of confusion here. I have seen these situations before; and have repeatedly found that when all is clearly understood; there is no basis for buying the Toyota sensors.