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#5338 of 5646 Re: Burning oil [bdyment]
Mar 18, 2011 (4:44 pm)
Kindly be advised that my Toyota Dealer sells and recommends BG products both for the oil and fuel. ------ That is the reason why I use them! ----- It is not my idea!---- As you probably know, the Toyota 3.0 V6 engine was a "known sludge producer." ---- The reason for this issue was extended oil and filter changes, and probably a design problem with the engine. ----- I have used these products since the 2007 V6 XLE Camry was new, and I have never had to add oil between oil and filter changes! ---- Maybe I am just lucky, or maybe there is something to these products. ----- Do a search on the net about BG Products, and make your own decision! ---- The final choice is yours! ----- I do not work for the company! ----- Best regards. ----- Dwayne
#5339 of 5646 Re: Burning oil [djm2]
Mar 18, 2011 (5:16 pm)
You don't drive far enough between oil changes to know if a car uses oil or not. The oil and the additives that you add are just getting nicely circulated at 2500 miles.
#5340 of 5646 Re: Burning oil [zaken1]
Mar 18, 2011 (7:45 pm)
Thanks for your reply; it's a relief. One less thing to worry about!
#5341 of 5646 Re: Burning oil [bdyment]
Mar 19, 2011 (3:25 am)
Good Morning bdyment:
While everyone is entitled to their opinion, I would have to disagree with you about your reasoning on this oil burning issue. ------ If the cause of the oil burning is "frozen piston rings," (because of a carbon build up in the piston grooves), the engine will burn oil at 1,000 or 5,000 miles after the oil & filter change, since the cause of the oil burning IS NOT a break down of the oil, but rather the inability of the rings to follow the cylinder walls as the piston travels from TDC to BDC, thus allowing "blow by" to enter the crankcase. ---- The rings are locked in the piston grooves because of the carbon formed by the burning of the gasoline. ----- Using a top tier gasoline, and changing the brand of gasoline on a regular basis can work to eliminate these problems, because each brand of fuel uses different detergents in their fuel, which tend to break up these formations. ------ Chevron is one of the best fuels to use because of their additive package. ----- Some dealers have recognized the need for an extra additive, both in the fuel and in the engine oil to control this formation. ---- (Both my Toyota and my Chevrolet dealer sell & recommend the BG products for this purpose.) ----- Yes, it makes an extra profit for the dealership, but if these products are doing the job, than the cost justifies their use! ------ (Saturn Vehicles are noted for this oil burning problem, and the solution to the problem is to soak the pistons with an "penetrating oil chemical" through the spark plug hole overnight to free the rings.) ----- Yes, carbon formation can cause oil burning by increasing crankcase pressure and allowing the PCV system to draw wet oil fumes into the combustion chamber. --------- Best regards. ------------ Dwayne.
#5342 of 5646 Re: Burning oil [djm2]
Mar 19, 2011 (4:23 am)
Well stated Dwayne, but I still think you are overly cautious regarding the frequency of your oil changes. Top quality oil, plus BG, plus a good quality Chevron gasoline should allow you to drive far more than 2500 miles between changes. I believe you are on the road a fair amount--highway driving. What time frame usually amounts to 2500 miles?
You are certainly not hurting your cars by frequent oil changes, but you are spending far more than you need for service. Just my opinion.
#5343 of 5646 Re: Burning oil [bdyment]
Mar 19, 2011 (9:14 am)
Depending on my schedule, I can do 2,500 miles between 6, 8, or 10 weeks! (Remember I am using two vehicles a 2007 Camry and a 2010 Malibu) ---- When I have the vehicle serviced I have them run a complete check on the vehicle. ---- At 5,000 mile intervals, I have the tires rotated, and the brakes checked. My car is my office, and it needs to be 100% at all times! I would rather "over maintain" a vehicle, ------ than be stranded on the road! My time is money! ------ The BG Products go back to the 70's. -------- Best regards. ---------- Dwayne
#5344 of 5646 Discontinuation of offering BG Service?
Mar 19, 2011 (5:05 pm)
Re: 2007 Toyota Solara SLE Convertible
We purchased my wife's Solara convertible new in 2007 and have maintained it to factory specs. With just about 30K on the odometer, I had intended to have the Dealership begin servicing the cooling system and transmission using the BG product and shop procedures, followed up with similar servicing for the power brake and steering systems.
While speaking with the Service Manager to schedule this work, I was advised that "Toyota no longer recommends the use of BG additives in their vehicles......." After hearing this, I was both suspicious and concerned, as our Owner's Manual clearly indicates having the vehicle serviced at specific mileage intervals using BG products. FYI....our local Goodyear Dealer continues to offer this service, using professional BG equipment and trained technicians to operate it, all of which I have witnessed.
Question: I would appreciate reading responses from any other members who can share additional information on this topic.
#5345 of 5646 Re: Burning oil [bdyment]
Mar 20, 2011 (5:05 am)
Good Morning bdyment:
Maintaining a vehicle is a very interesting process. ----- On one side, the manufacturer recommends what they consider to be an acceptable level of service, but in the real world, vehicles are used in many different styles, and under a different set of circumstances. ----- Throughout the automotive industry, we see a rash of engine oil sludge problems in a variety of name plates, and we see engines burning oil as they accumulate mileage. ----- Many times the owner of the vehicle has maintained the vehicle according to factory specifications, and in some nameplates, a battle then begins between the customer who wants the manufacturer to honor an extended warranty, and a manufacturer who wants to VOID the warranty claim because of the number of units out in the marketplace with the problem of the potential for the problem. ------- My two vehicles, (2007 V6 Camry & 2010 4 cylinder Malibu), recommend service intervals of 5,000 miles. If I adhere to these figures and my engine develops a problem, will Chevrolet or Toyota say the my driving habits are VERY STRESSFUL, and I should have serviced the vehicle sooner, therefore we are not going to honor your extended warranty. ------ (You might think that this has not happened in the automotive marketplace, but if you take the time to do the research on the net, you will see one or more of the automotive nameplates have taken that very position with their customers who have serviced their vehicles at the dealer. ----- (These customers cannot afford to repair their own vehicle, so as such, they cannot afford to take the manufacturer to court!) --- I have chosen to divided the "recommended service intervals" in half, and have all of the serviced performed at the selling dealer. Should I experience a problem there is no way that the dealer, or the vehicle manufacturer can claim that I did not service my vehicle under the terms and conditions of the owner's manual, and / or the requirements of the extended warranty. (EXAMPLE: ---- If I was to experience a "sludge condition" on one of my vehicles at 2,500 mile service, when the recommended service was 5,000 miles, and all of my service was done at the dealer, the manufacturer would have to replace the engine under the terms and conditions of the extended warranty.) By giving my vehicle this level of service, I am insuring that my vehicle will run at the most efficient level throughout its life, and I am protecting my warranty interests. ----- The alcohol in the gasoline today is putting added stress on the engines. (Alcohol is a cleaner, not a lubricant.) ----- The combustion chamber is a "hot / dry place!" ---- Valves, pistons and valve seats are operating under very negative conditions. Maintenance and fuel additives do have a place in the daily operating process. Not all additives are equal, and not all additives do the job. A dealer will not sell an additive to a customer that will destroy the vehicle. That is simply not good business. In the marine business we use additives in the fuel, because marine engines work very hard. A boat going down a river at 28mph has an engine that is doing 3,200 rpm. (Show me land based vehicle that has an engine that is doing 3,200rpm at 55mph!) ------- Best regards. ---------- Dwayne
#5346 of 5646 Re: Discontinuation of offering BG Service? [tribibian]
Mar 20, 2011 (7:35 am)
"..our local Goodyear dealer..."
Sorry , but that statement goes toward discrediting anything you might have to say.
#5347 of 5646 Re: Burning oil [djm2]
Mar 20, 2011 (7:41 am)
How do you know, decide, which additives have a positive effect/result, vs NEGATIVE, or even neutral...?
"...alcohol is a cleaner, not a lubricant.."
I have often used gasoline as a "cleaner", even better than alcohol, does that mean I shouldn't be fueling my cars with same....?